Turn Meters and Speed - Math and Mechanics ???

Ok, but how long is the "mile"?

For example, let's assume a mile is 1000. Toon A has speed 40, and toon B has speed 50. We'll assume at some point in the battle that toon A is at position 350 and toon B is at position 300. Now both toons get a 50% turn meter gain, so toon A moves to 850 and toon B moves to 800. In this case toon A will go first because they will travel their remaining 150 distance faster than B will travel their remaining 200 distance.

But what if the mile was 1200 long instead of 1000? Now, after their 50% turn meter gain, A moves to 950 and B moves to 900. In this case B will actually go before A, because they will travel the remaining 300 faster than A travels the remaining 250.

So it does matter how long the "mile" is. And I'm trying to figure out exactly what determines it and how this all works. Thanks guys.

I appreciate the responses, a great deal. Let's talk in terms of actual game language then since this is not at all clear to me still. Can toons "pass" each other with no interfering buffs, etc? It seems to me like I've seen a slow toon that appears to be further along their turn meter get "passed" by a faster toon that was not as far along on their turn meter. (It could be I missed a TM gain/reduction in these cases, since things move fast, but that was my perception.)

Do you think you could explain in terms of game %s then? Or give the example where two toons of different speeds would actually tie after the next turn?

Equations are good too if you happen to know them...

Read this link:

https://forums.galaxy-of-heroes.starwars.ea.com/discussion/58474/a-cavemans-guide-to-speed-mechanics#latest

Ok, so after a little more pondering on this I'm going to try to write this just in terms of the game language and stats. Let's see where it goes:

Instead of using "1000/mile" as in the above example we will just use 100% as the length of the bar.

We need to determine how the speed stat fills the 100% turn meter bar. For the sake of language, it would help to introduce a unit of "time", even though this is not a defined (or relevant) specific value in the real world. So let's introduce "time" as a unit in the swgoh universe. I hate to call it "seconds" or even "time", so let's call it "ticks".

The speed stat now has units of %/tick. (That's percentage of turn bar per tick.)

My QGJ has a speed of 195. How fast will he fill his turn meter? It will take 100/195 = 0.513 ticks. (With units that looks like 100 / 195 = 0.513 ).

When a toon hits 100% they will clearly take their turn. They then reset to zero.

The other toons at this point will be at turn meter percentages of:
Speed * elapsed ticks = Turn Meter increase
So a base Datcha with a speed of 119, after 0.513 ticks, will be at:
119 * 0.513 tick = 61.0% turn meter

Continuing, how many ticks will it take for Datcha to reach 100% turn meter?
(100% - 61.0%) / 119 = 0.33 ticks.

QGJ at this point will now be at 195 * 0.33 = 63.9%

And so on. This is one way it could all work out. The "ticks" will actually drop out of every equation and are unnecessary, but I thought it would help to introduce them for the sake of the thought process.

I've thought ahead and if this is how the system works then I agree that the "length" of the turn meter bar does not matter. It is 100% and doesn't really have units. The imaginary tick units also don't matter. All that matters is the relative rates, which are the character's speeds.

But can anyone confirm if this is indeed how the system is set up?


For thoroughness, since I'm answering my own question anyway, I'll return to my original concern. And yes, the turn meter percentages before a 50% increase will affect which toon goes first afterward. It all just depends how much closer the slower toon was to 50% before the increase. It's a bit obvious in this situation, but it was not clear at all if the turn meter had actual units and wasn't just a percentage.


If anyone dares to try making sense of what I've wrote can you confirm or elaborate on the mechanics and let me know if this is indeed how it all works? I can't think of any abilities that would break this system offhand, and it doesn't introduce any arbitrary unknown factors known only to EA. I'm not sure if I'm crazy enough to actually try tracking my battles and collecting stats to confirm anything, but if someone already has an answer that'd be great!!!

"Joeybologna88;66753" wrote:
So I've been wondering for a long time how exactly the turn meter works with the speed stats. It might be easiest to figure out by asking a few questions:

1) How "long" are the turn meter bars? If a toon gains 50% turn meter, do they gain half of their speed, or, more likely, half the length of the turn meter bar?

2) I assume that if a toon has 200 speed, and another 100 speed, then the toon with 200 speed gets 2 turns for every 1 of the other. Does that mean that the turn meter bars for all toons are the same length, and that length is the speed of the fastest toon in the battle?

Hypothetical Example:
It would make sense if the turn order was determined by accumulating the speed stat. So suppose there were just three toons, with pretend speeds of A=1000, B=500, and C=400.

Turn 1: Clearly toon A with 1000 speed goes first. This toon resets to zero and the others keep their accumulated turn meter "points", so B=500 and C=400 after this turn.

Turn 2: A=1000 again, B=1000, and C=800. I don't know what the tie-breaker is but toons A and B both get to go. After these turn A and B reset, so A=0 and B=0, and C=800.

Now how does turn 3 work?
Turn 3 (option 1): C=1200, A=1000, B=500. C takes their turn. If the turn meter has a length of 1000, then perhaps C gets to keep the residual 200 and carry it over. Then A takes their turn for reaching 1000, and carries nothing over. So after C and then A take their turns and reset/carryover, we're left with A=0, B=500, and C=200.

I could haphazardly keep going, but can anyone simplify this with an explanation before I keep guessing about the mechanics here?

1) the actual length of the turn meter bar is irrelevent, the important thing is that they are all the same for every toon. Most use 1000 as the value for turn meter, but you can set it to 100 or 10,000 and get the same results. A gain of 50% = 500 when using 1000 as the value.

2) they are all the same length, but they are not set to the highest speed toon, no need for that. It is the rate of fill that varies for each toon.

Speed fills at a constant rate, when a toon gets to 100% turn meter, he gets a turn. Natural turn meter fill can never go over, and any extra turn meter fill from skills is wasted, it is not carried over.

If you set the turn meter value to 1000, you can use it to determine when a toon goes. So using the speeds in your example above we would figure it out like this:

1000/200 = 5

So we have an idea when this toon will go now. We need to give that 5 number a name. Most people call it rounds, or ticks, but you can call it anything you want really. These actions take place behind the scenes. Now we know that a 200 speed toon goes in round 5. A 100 speed toon would go on round 10 because 1000/100 = 10.

So when the 200 speed toon gets a turn, the 100 speed toon will be at 50% turn meter. When the 100 speed toon gets his turn, the 200 speed toon will have gone once and filled his turn meter again. This puts them into a tie for action on the 10th round. RNG always determines who goes first in the event of a tie.

If there were no turn meter manipulation, we could map out the whole fight and figure out when each toon will get a turn. But, because turn meter manipulation exists, we can only map out the fight until the manipulation occurs, then from that point forward, we can only calculate relative to that point.

Cool. I believe what you have written above is essentially the same as what I was posting.

Can I ask how you know this is in fact the way it works? Has it been tested or is it published info somewhere? I've been looking for some kind of thorough reference about the actual math/coding behind this game and if there is such a thing out there please let me know! Thanks!

Tested and confirmed over and over again. If you read the speed guide posted above you will see the one post we have from devs about speed mechanics. I set out the laws of speed in the guide, and have yet to see any situation where they have proved wrong. Unfortunately, the devs don't really provide much info on actual game mechanics.

If you like relativity, and want to go deeper into to the subject, check out the link below. There are a few different ways to model speed in the game that are discussed in this thread.

https://forums.galaxy-of-heroes.starwars.ea.com/discussion/61800/a-cavemans-theory-on-time-travel-gravity-wells-and-the-relativistic-effects-of-time-in-swgoh/p1

Hi i just wanted to say i seen some say that the meter never goes past 100% and if it does all the TM is lost. That was something thats not true, and the reason i say that is phasma. When she uses her turn meter raise it not only pushes it to 100 but her meter is right at half full if not over, plus the toons that was already almost full has a 30 to 40% fill in thier TM box. I see this all the time in arena and in GW. Especially with phasma and clones or phasma with rey,QGJ, and EP. This is a major down fall in GW or Arena because when we use these toons it doesn't do this except for phasma, but when the computer uses them it does it everytime on me. I sent in a recording last month on it but all i got was a email about certain bugs in the game and that they will try to look in on it. The computer can use them beyond thier actual abilities and thats why i believe arena and GW is unfair at times. Hope i wasn't to off track on this post just thought this was a interesting post because of im trying myself to understand this new speed phenomenon.