Update on the Finn/Threepio Raid Interaction: Resulting Finn Modifications [MEGA]

"zaljko_petrescu;c-1777300" wrote:

"mvmss;c-1777297" wrote:

"Kyno;c-1777283" wrote:

"mvmss;c-1777279" wrote:
Does the rework beat Revan?

That is all I'm interested in and I couldn't care less about Finn in raids (HAAT, srsly???).

Yes, I do have Revan and I think Revan mirror matches are probably the worst since I started playing this game, long ago.

So, the question is, does the new Finn beat Revan?

no. they are too fast and will resist TMR.

even against FO, it looks questionable due to the speed they have.

Right, though, here's what CG said:

"These changes do not drastically alter the performance of the Finn-led Resistance squad in PvP, but his changes do offer the team some additional utility and a slight improvement in their PvP presence. With ramping damage now present on Finn’s basic ability and his 2nd special ability, the longer he can stay alive and the more turns he can take, the more potent he becomes. Determination goes a long way in making this a reality, as it provides not only an additional means of spreading damage around the team by providing Finn with the ability to Taunt, but also grants him Retribution which can give him a few free hits to ramp up damage on his basic ability. While these changes haven’t brought the Resistance squad into the current competitive meta, they can more handily dispose of teams such as Kylo Ren (Unmasked)-led First Order and General Kenobi-led Jedi."

My sole interest in ZFinn is pvp, giving me a somewhat reliable and fast way of beating Revan.

It seems that does drastically change his pvp performance. And it's not just against "one team".

Unfortunately - there’s only one team that matters in PvP - and that’s Revan.

At least if we are talking about squad arena.

Not only squad arena, but also Revan walls on TW and on GA.

Traya is a great character, but I see very little reason to make her less accessible to those who still don't have her or have a hard time beating HSTR because, you know, some ppl stick to a guild where friendship was built over the years of playing the game.

Wow, is 1 phase of an old raid that precious? Seriously, the Sith raid is terrible. Finn made it suck less.

"Shalazar;c-1777306" wrote:
CG - “These changes do not drastically alter the performance of the Finn-led Resistance squad in PvP”

Lies.

Maybe wait until the thing goes live before saying something is a lie?

They've done two months of looking at this, you've done two seconds.

@bulldog1205 i eagerly await your follow up video!
@CG_TopHat so the 20% p3 of sith raid team is still using 3po but with other resistance?
Im sad to see the change, but it was leading to a lot of weirdness regarding the sith raid, we have 8 c3pos, but decided not to use the cheese just because we knew this change was coming.
Anyway, Finn getting a taunt if Poe goes under 50% health is great and the increased damage is also a good deal.
The part regarding his viability against general kenobi lead is laughable and out of touch.

"Kyno;c-1777311" wrote:

"mvmss;c-1777297" wrote:

"Kyno;c-1777283" wrote:

"mvmss;c-1777279" wrote:
Does the rework beat Revan?

That is all I'm interested in and I couldn't care less about Finn in raids (HAAT, srsly???).

Yes, I do have Revan and I think Revan mirror matches are probably the worst since I started playing this game, long ago.

So, the question is, does the new Finn beat Revan?

no. they are too fast and will resist TMR.

even against FO, it looks questionable due to the speed they have.

Right, though, here's what CG said:

"These changes do not drastically alter the performance of the Finn-led Resistance squad in PvP, but his changes do offer the team some additional utility and a slight improvement in their PvP presence. With ramping damage now present on Finn’s basic ability and his 2nd special ability, the longer he can stay alive and the more turns he can take, the more potent he becomes. Determination goes a long way in making this a reality, as it provides not only an additional means of spreading damage around the team by providing Finn with the ability to Taunt, but also grants him Retribution which can give him a few free hits to ramp up damage on his basic ability. While these changes haven’t brought the Resistance squad into the current competitive meta, they can more handily dispose of teams such as Kylo Ren (Unmasked)-led First Order and General Kenobi-led Jedi."

My sole interest in ZFinn is pvp, giving me a somewhat reliable and fast way of beating Revan.

It seems that does drastically change his pvp performance. And it's not just against "one team".

There is more to PvP than arena. There are more teams used in PvP content than Revan.

so changing the interaction with a single (or 2 teams) is not a drastic change to their PvP performance.

I dont see him getting enough hits to make the bonus damage mean anything. I also dont see the TM gain against revan being enough to counter all the speed and TM gain on a revan team.

I could be wrong about FO, but to get it going before you only needed Poe to be faster, now you will probably need more speed in general. so while it may be doable, its likely going to need changes to the whole team to be able to "handily dispose" of teams you could take down before.

IMHO

If Revan wasnt meta , you'd have a valid point , but changing the way a team interacts with the Meta , absolutely affects their pvp usage, im sorry.

So I actually think his new kit will make him a strong contender in p3 of the hstr. But making a character good in one area of the game at the expense of every other aspect he used to be useful in is a bad move.

All you had to do was make Traya gain 3% tm from each expose when toppled, job done. You WAY over thought this one.

RIP Poe, and I guess I'll be using my Finn only in the str from now on.

And dont try to truly tell me that his new abilities are effective in pvp. Extra damage on subsequent hits, all the teams he was good against can damn near one shot him, so now hes only useful against .. right.. nothing that anyone runs anymore.

"Gorem;c-1777091" wrote:

"DaPowerfulJedi;c-1777032" wrote:
I’m curious to know who at CG thought players would be happy with this.

Whoever thought we'd be happy and find banning characters in TW fun I bet, lol.

Or that we'd be happy with the price doubling on marque packs.

The community wanted Finn to change right? Noone had said Change Traya right? Feedback doesn't really exist in this game. People said don't touch Finn. People said Touch Traya. And what happens? xD

I'm all for the zeta Refund, I wanted to try out the Finn Rebel squad in arena, but that's been neutered now. Finns entire usefulness has been neutered. I had done him before for help in my dps in Haat, and also to help win in GA/TW, and now... He's pointless to use.

There's literally a megathread on here of people begging and suggesting ideas without touching Finn's leader.

Is this some kind of joke?!? Reworking a 3 years old character cuz of the release of a new character who "is not working as intended" GREAT JOB!!! Now You screwed up my only good Light Side team cuz of a character that i won't have in the next year or so... lovely!!! Thats a great way to deal with fails!! I want a zeta refund! And the next time You guys release new character make sure that You won't have to rework half of the game just to make sure that this new character "is working as intended"! Thank You!... and don't forget for the zeta refund!

Edited for language. - EA_Cian

I think the community has made it abundantly clear that this calls for a refund of his zeta. To have already decided otherwise is ludicrous.

Can you tell us what team was used internally that got 20% of HSTR?