Vader is Vader

"Nikoms565;c-2134356" wrote:
Whether or not Vader "should" be this good is irrelevant. It makes no sense from the game standpoint. Vader is very easy to obtain. The team needed around him to beat GLs is also very attainable. None of the "requirements" to farm, gear and relic the Vader team that currently can beat BOTH GLs now are anywhere near close to the requirements needed to farm, obtain, gear, relic and ultimate the GLs and their respective teams.

Basically, if CG makes GL countering this easy, they are informing the player base that the investing in GLs moving forward is fairly pointless, as they will be easily defeated by original game characters as soon as they are reworked to do so.

I realize that the game has always been at CG's whim to manipulate the meta at their will. This, however, is a new low. And is either mark'd with incompetence or has the mark of a company that doesn't care about it's most focused and dedicated players - be they f2p early-adapters or whales or any other type.

Exactly right! What is the point for ever going for a GL when now we know that not only will they be outdated within months of release, by a non-GL/Journey character btw, but you also only have a 50% chance of getting the "right one", if you guess wrong about which one to go for - ha ha, sucks to be you.

“Vader is fine!” -SLKR owners

“OMG, Fives is so broken!” -also SLKR owners

"Basti4SWGOH;c-2134376" wrote:

"TheMaster12345;c-2134353" wrote:

"Starslayer;c-2134345" wrote:

"TheMaster12345;c-2134148" wrote:

"Basti4SWGOH;c-2134144" wrote:

"TheMaster12345;c-2134139" wrote:

"Xcrit9;d-232078" wrote:
I'm someone who has both GLs with that said Vader is Vader and you should not NERF this Vader is the ultimate GL

Agree. Vader should be this good and he should stay this good.

And whats the purpose of a GL char like Rey than, who needs unbelievable more resources to get? To be steamrolled by a F2P toon that everyone has since ages? Cool logic..

Vader should always be this good. In the movies, he is an overall better, and more iconic character than rey and kylo. CG just happened to rework Vader after they released GL's a couple months ago.

"More iconic", for sure.
"Better" in the movies, in the sense "stronger" ? That's debatable. Should we ?

More people like Vader than either Kylo or Rey. Also, Vader would beat Kylo and Rey in a lightsaber duel (fighting them one at a time).

You argument is absolutely pointless. It does not matter if Vader "would beat Kylo and Rey in a lightsaber duel" and it also does not matter if "more people like Vader" (I also like him more lore wise).

What matters are the game rules and how they got applied.
Again:
To get GL Rey / SLK you need to put immense effort into the game, you need to invest incredible time & resources to get them and they are - because of that - flagged as Galatic Legends, the hardest toons to get.

To get Vader you need to do nothing .. if you did not start to play the game just yesterday, you have him .. ready to use .. put some gear on and a Zeta and there you are. I have him 7* since years.

How can some1 really justify that Vader can EASILY beat GL Rey and he can even beat SKL (although not that easy). Total bull****.
Again, what is the purpose of Galatic Legends then... still no answer on that.

You can't zeta him or unlock him right away. It takes sometime, but not a lot of time. Personally, I like the Vader rework because I am f2p and no where near to unlocking GL's but I can still have a pretty good f2p character in Vader.

I also have know idea why a CG made Galactic Legends a kind of character. I'm not CG so I don't know the reasoning behind making a character called a Galactic Legend and then having an easy counter to that so called amazing character. Also remember that Vader only works on offense not defense. They could also be a way to counter an offensive Vader team that know one has noticed yet because they haven't tried that.

Also, that statement I wrote that you quote was a response to a different post by someone else, it didn't have anything to do with this argument. I telling someone else that, in the movies, Vader is more liked and would beat either Rey or Kylo in a duel.

"Antario;c-2134138" wrote:
Agree. Vader is easily the most iconic character of Star Wars. He deserves the current spot.

I'd argue that Han is the most iconic character in Star Wars. ;) But agree with the power level of Vader. I'd actually vote to make him even better and move his ever dots to his unique so he would be more useful when he's not under his own lead.....

Vader is Vader.

Hard to argue.

"TheMaster12345;c-2134353" wrote:

Vader would beat Kylo and Rey in a lightsaber duel (fighting them one at a time).

Ok, let's do this. I'll root for Rey.

What did we witness in the movies regarding Vador lightsaber skills ? (We're talking Vader here, the guy in suit. We can't compared with Anakin, considering his general health after his last fight as Anakin. We can only judge with what we see when he's in the suit. Fair ?)

ANH: fight an old man about 15 years older than him that lived alone in a desert for a long time, while he was living in a military facility, probably with a gym nearby. 'Wasn't able to smash the old guy until he purposely lost.
ESB: Kick his son's ass, who never had any lightsaber lessons as far as we know, except probably tutorial videos telling him to use small training droids.
ROTJ: Fought his son again, who got better. Lost.
RO (not OT, but ok): fight a bunch of soldiers on a diplomatic shuttle, some of them quite old. Impressive.

Rey fought the personal guards (plural) of the Supreme Leader of the Galaxy (sort of) and won. Granted, she wasn't alone, but they were strongly outnumbers and she did her part. A movie later she won a duel vs a Starship built for combat. Not close combat, I give you that.

Considering the movies, I say Rey demonstrate stronger swordmanship than Vader.

And I raise you lightsaber skills with force powers. Rey smashed a starship (what's her deal with starships, is it because she was a scavenger that she needs to scrap them at sight ?) with force lightning. Vador chocks old guys (what's his deal with old guys ?).

Your move !

"Basti4SWGOH;c-2134144" wrote:

"TheMaster12345;c-2134139" wrote:

"Xcrit9;d-232078" wrote:
I'm someone who has both GLs with that said Vader is Vader and you should not NERF this Vader is the ultimate GL

Agree. Vader should be this good and he should stay this good.

And whats the purpose of a GL char like Rey than, who needs unbelievable more resources to get? To be steamrolled by a F2P toon that everyone has since ages? Cool logic..

The purpose of GL Rey is to make you give CG money to get her the easy way.

I’m glad I went down the F2P way for Vader AND GL SLKR.

"Starslayer;c-2134490" wrote:

"TheMaster12345;c-2134353" wrote:

Vader would beat Kylo and Rey in a lightsaber duel (fighting them one at a time).

Ok, let's do this. I'll root for Rey.

What did we witness in the movies regarding Vador lightsaber skills ? (We're talking Vader here, the guy in suit. We can't compared with Anakin, considering his general health after his last fight as Anakin. We can only judge with what we see when he's in the suit. Fair ?)

ANH: fight an old man about 15 years older than him that lived alone in a desert for a long time, while he was living in a military facility, probably with a gym nearby. 'Wasn't able to smash the old guy until he purposely lost.
ESB: Kick his son's ****, who never had any lightsaber lessons as far as we know, except probably tutorial videos telling him to use small training droids.
ROTJ: Fought his son again, who got better. Lost.
RO (not OT, but ok): fight a bunch of soldiers on a diplomatic shuttle, some of them quite old. Impressive.

Rey fought the personal guards (plural) of the Supreme Leader of the Galaxy (sort of) and won. Granted, she wasn't alone, but they were strongly outnumbers and she did her part. A movie later she won a duel vs a Starship built for combat. Not close combat, I give you that.

Considering the movies, I say Rey demonstrate stronger swordmanship than Vader.

And I raise you lightsaber skills with force powers. Rey smashed a starship (what's her deal with starships, is it because she was a scavenger that she needs to scrap them at sight ?) with force lightning. Vador chocks old guys (what's his deal with old guys ?).

Your move !

One thing to mention. I don't know if this has any affect on the debate but the original trilogy was made in the late 1970s to early 1980s. The graphics in the movies might not be as good back then so they might not have been able to show Vader doing really cool moves. Now to the debate.

Although Vader lost to Luke, Luke is a very powerful Jedi and Vader (in ROTJ) was able to have a pretty decent battle with him.

Vader should be able to choke regular people as easy as old guys because if someone is choking, they can't breathe or do anything else.

Also, Rey didn't really smash a starship, it looked more like a cargo carrier that was used to carry prisoners. Rey also had significantly less training than Vader so Vader would be more experienced.

Granted, Rey was able to defeat Snoke's guards but, the guards don't know how to wield a lightsaber and, they don't have any force powers to go with their decent weapon skills. The guards are also no match for Vader. Plus, Rey wasn't the only one battling the guards.

Force Powers: Equal

Experience: Vader

Swordsmanship: Vader by a tiny bit

So if everyone has Vader and Vader is real good why complain? Literally everyone has an awesome character to play with that is really good. I think it's awesome lol

"TheMaster12345;c-2134500" wrote:


One thing to mention. I don't know if this has any affect on the debate but the original trilogy was made in the late 1970s to early 1980s. The graphics in the movies might not be as good back then so they might not have been able to show Vader doing really cool moves.

Fair enough. That's why I don't mention the actual battles but the opponents. Capeoira is impressive, more than MMA. People could debate on which one is more efficient in some kind of real fight, I guess it won't necessarely be the one with the cool moves.

Although Vader lost to Luke, Luke is a very powerful Jedi and Vader (in ROTJ) was able to have a pretty decent battle with him.

Stiil, he lost. So he didn't demonstrate his skills.

Vader should be able to choke regular people as easy as old guys because if someone is choking, they can't breathe or do anything else.

Yeah, the old guy thing was part of a joke. I guess not a very good one.

Also, Rey didn't really smash a starship, it looked more like a cargo carrier that was used to carry prisoners.

Fair enough. Still impressive

Rey also had significantly less training than Vader so Vader would be more experienced.

The important when we compare "who's the strongest ?" is what they do, not what they learnt. Vader was more experienced than Luke in ROTJ, he still lost.

Granted, Rey was able to defeat Snoke's guards but, the guards don't know how to wield a lightsaber and, they don't have any force powers to go with their decent weapon skills.

That's true, very valid point. Maybe it was more show than skill on their part. But she also fought alone and outnumbers Palpatine elite guards and won. That's something. The question is: are Palpatine elite guards better than young luke in a fight ? I don't know.

Force Powers: Equal

In the movies: Vador can choke and use his cyberhands as Wonder Woman Bracelets, Rey can shoot lightning, use mind trick, teleport object (only to Kylo, so a little lame) and heal. Both can use telepathy and move stuff. I vote Rey.

Experience: Vader

Agree, but irrelevant

Swordsmanship: Vader by a tiny bit

If you're absolutely sure that Young Luke after an internship in Dagobah is stronger than a group of Palpatine guards. I give you the benefit of the doubt and offer a tie on this one.


I hope I managed to at least give you some doubt considering Rey's overall power in the movies. (A lot of) people may not like it, but Rey is a very, very strong character in the movies (and it's actually why a lot of people didn't like her. Because she was so strong, even stronger than a Skywalker, for no apparent reason). So having her very, very strong in the game is not totally irrelevant. She not as iconic as Vador (by far), and having a strong Vador is totally ok, I agree on this point though.