What economy changes?

"Nikoms565;c-2187681" wrote:

"GJO;c-2187670" wrote:

"Nauros;c-2187660" wrote:

"GJO;c-2187652" wrote:
Hope they finally move crystals from arena to GAC. Since they'll never fix the two broken tier on ships.

Have my crystal income dependent on GAC matchmaking with all its faults and inadequacies? No thanks.

Because arena tiers are very different right? It's precisely even lol.
Worst them all, these GAC mafias are the worst. No wait!

"GJO;c-2187670" wrote:

"Nauros;c-2187660" wrote:

"GJO;c-2187652" wrote:
Hope they finally move crystals from arena to GAC. Since they'll never fix the two broken tier on ships.

Have my crystal income dependent on GAC matchmaking with all its faults and inadequacies? No thanks.

Because arena tiers are very different right? It's precisely even lol.
Worst them all, these GAC mafias are the worst. No wait!

Shard communication to maximize player payouts is a good thing.

Really? Match fixing is considered a bad thing in virtually any type of competitive game, and that's exactly what shard chats bring. If match fixing is a usual and completely uncontrollable thing it's the clear indicator of broken PvP system.

"Hortus;c-2187693" wrote:

"Nikoms565;c-2187681" wrote:

"GJO;c-2187670" wrote:

"Nauros;c-2187660" wrote:

"GJO;c-2187652" wrote:
Hope they finally move crystals from arena to GAC. Since they'll never fix the two broken tier on ships.

Have my crystal income dependent on GAC matchmaking with all its faults and inadequacies? No thanks.

Because arena tiers are very different right? It's precisely even lol.
Worst them all, these GAC mafias are the worst. No wait!

"GJO;c-2187670" wrote:

"Nauros;c-2187660" wrote:

"GJO;c-2187652" wrote:
Hope they finally move crystals from arena to GAC. Since they'll never fix the two broken tier on ships.

Have my crystal income dependent on GAC matchmaking with all its faults and inadequacies? No thanks.

Because arena tiers are very different right? It's precisely even lol.
Worst them all, these GAC mafias are the worst. No wait!

Shard communication to maximize player payouts is a good thing.

Really? Match fixing is considered a bad thing in virtually any type of competitive game, and that's exactly what shard chats bring. If match fixing is a usual and completely uncontrollable thing it's the clear indicator of broken PvP system.

Yes, really. Because of how the payouts work in this game, which is different from every similar game I've paid, shard communication is great. It's not always "match fixing" so much as it is "my payout is now and yours is in 2 hours, so I'll go around you and if you climb early you won't get in my way."

"StarSon;c-2187700" wrote:

"Hortus;c-2187693" wrote:

"Nikoms565;c-2187681" wrote:

"GJO;c-2187670" wrote:

"Nauros;c-2187660" wrote:

"GJO;c-2187652" wrote:
Hope they finally move crystals from arena to GAC. Since they'll never fix the two broken tier on ships.

Have my crystal income dependent on GAC matchmaking with all its faults and inadequacies? No thanks.

Because arena tiers are very different right? It's precisely even lol.
Worst them all, these GAC mafias are the worst. No wait!

"GJO;c-2187670" wrote:

"Nauros;c-2187660" wrote:

"GJO;c-2187652" wrote:
Hope they finally move crystals from arena to GAC. Since they'll never fix the two broken tier on ships.

Have my crystal income dependent on GAC matchmaking with all its faults and inadequacies? No thanks.

Because arena tiers are very different right? It's precisely even lol.
Worst them all, these GAC mafias are the worst. No wait!

Shard communication to maximize player payouts is a good thing.

Really? Match fixing is considered a bad thing in virtually any type of competitive game, and that's exactly what shard chats bring. If match fixing is a usual and completely uncontrollable thing it's the clear indicator of broken PvP system.

Yes, really. Because of how the payouts work in this game, which is different from every similar game I've paid, shard communication is great. It's not always "match fixing" so much as it is "my payout is now and yours is in 2 hours, so I'll go around you and if you climb early you won't get in my way."

It's not "shard communication great" but the payout system that makes it essential for maximizing profits is bad. The point is that the squad/fleet Arena payout system is broken as reward distribution mechanism, not the shard chats by themselves.

"Hortus;c-2187693" wrote:

"Nikoms565;c-2187681" wrote:

"GJO;c-2187670" wrote:

"Nauros;c-2187660" wrote:

"GJO;c-2187652" wrote:
Hope they finally move crystals from arena to GAC. Since they'll never fix the two broken tier on ships.

Have my crystal income dependent on GAC matchmaking with all its faults and inadequacies? No thanks.

Because arena tiers are very different right? It's precisely even lol.
Worst them all, these GAC mafias are the worst. No wait!

"GJO;c-2187670" wrote:

"Nauros;c-2187660" wrote:

"GJO;c-2187652" wrote:
Hope they finally move crystals from arena to GAC. Since they'll never fix the two broken tier on ships.

Have my crystal income dependent on GAC matchmaking with all its faults and inadequacies? No thanks.

Because arena tiers are very different right? It's precisely even lol.
Worst them all, these GAC mafias are the worst. No wait!

Shard communication to maximize player payouts is a good thing.

Really? Match fixing is considered a bad thing in virtually any type of competitive game, and that's exactly what shard chats bring. If match fixing is a usual and completely uncontrollable thing it's the clear indicator of broken PvP system.

It's not match fixing in most cases. It's simply knowing when other people's payouts are and respecting them, so as not to waste crystals on refreshes. The one exception I'm aware of is that on a rare occasion, when someone is struggling against another team, they might ask for a team switch or mod drops. But it's still all in the spirit of helping everyone maximize their rewards at their payout.

"Hortus;c-2187704" wrote:

"StarSon;c-2187700" wrote:

"Hortus;c-2187693" wrote:

"Nikoms565;c-2187681" wrote:

"GJO;c-2187670" wrote:

"Nauros;c-2187660" wrote:

"GJO;c-2187652" wrote:
Hope they finally move crystals from arena to GAC. Since they'll never fix the two broken tier on ships.

Have my crystal income dependent on GAC matchmaking with all its faults and inadequacies? No thanks.

Because arena tiers are very different right? It's precisely even lol.
Worst them all, these GAC mafias are the worst. No wait!

"GJO;c-2187670" wrote:

"Nauros;c-2187660" wrote:

"GJO;c-2187652" wrote:
Hope they finally move crystals from arena to GAC. Since they'll never fix the two broken tier on ships.

Have my crystal income dependent on GAC matchmaking with all its faults and inadequacies? No thanks.

Because arena tiers are very different right? It's precisely even lol.
Worst them all, these GAC mafias are the worst. No wait!

Shard communication to maximize player payouts is a good thing.

Really? Match fixing is considered a bad thing in virtually any type of competitive game, and that's exactly what shard chats bring. If match fixing is a usual and completely uncontrollable thing it's the clear indicator of broken PvP system.

Yes, really. Because of how the payouts work in this game, which is different from every similar game I've paid, shard communication is great. It's not always "match fixing" so much as it is "my payout is now and yours is in 2 hours, so I'll go around you and if you climb early you won't get in my way."

It's not "shard communication great" but the payout system that makes it essential for maximizing profits is bad. The point is that the squad/fleet Arena payout system is broken as reward distribution mechanism, not the shard chats by themselves.

Hard disagree. The payout system here is far superior to other games specifically because they give out so many crystals each day.

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AAAH, I was wondering when it will come to the forum...

"Kyno;c-2187683" wrote:

"GJO;c-2187652" wrote:
Hope they finally move crystals from arena to GAC. Since they'll never fix the two broken tier on ships.

This doesnt seem like its in the plans, as we have heard nothing about it since it was kind of mentioned. This seems like it would be a touchy subject for a lot of players and they probably thought best to avoid a very community breaking change.

The idea I see in a similar vein to this that could work, would be, not necessarily a change from one to the other, but an increased income from GAC. much like when they added ships and offered a new path to earn a decent amount of crystals. This would fall in line with economy changes, as an increased crystal income could help alleviate some of the gear stress, and lessen the need for other more drastic gear changes.

This I can get behind. As someone in a relatively old Squad arena but a newer Fleet arena due to me downloading the game when it first came out and only playing for a bit before picking it back up again in may of this year, I can get 1st almost daily in my fleet arena but I’ve got no chance of catching up to the GL’s that fill up my top 50 of squad arena any time soon so having an increased Crystal income from GAC would really help progression.

"Kyno;c-2187948" wrote:

"kello_511;c-2187947" wrote:

"Kyno;c-2187683" wrote:

"GJO;c-2187652" wrote:
Hope they finally move crystals from arena to GAC. Since they'll never fix the two broken tier on ships.

This doesnt seem like its in the plans, as we have heard nothing about it since it was kind of mentioned. This seems like it would be a touchy subject for a lot of players and they probably thought best to avoid a very community breaking change.

The idea I see in a similar vein to this that could work, would be, not necessarily a change from one to the other, but an increased income from GAC. much like when they added ships and offered a new path to earn a decent amount of crystals. This would fall in line with economy changes, as an increased crystal income could help alleviate some of the gear stress, and lessen the need for other more drastic gear changes.

Did they specifically say that they intended to move crystal income away from arena and into other areas?

I think they are already making moves to shift the focus from arena in other ways:

Want zetas? You can’t buy them with crystals - focus on your fleet.

Want GAS or Malak? You need GET for them, crystals won’t do it.

Want to slice up your mods? Better focus on GC because you can’t get those other slicing mats otherwise.

Crystals are no longer the only viable currency in the game and focus on only arena is not sufficient to keep pace.

we can agree to disagree, but crystals are the most versatile and best overall thing to accumulate in this game.

edit to add: you can focus on maximizing your crystal income as your only goal, and you can do good in just about every other aspect of the game.

At one point they fielded a question about moving away from arena as a primary source of crystal income. that is all we have. They have not brought this up again and there have been changes to the team since then. so who knows at this point.

I don’t remember the exact wording of the statement. I know it was around shifting rewards/focus away from arena, but was it specifically about crystals?

I’m just pointing out that since that statement, they have introduced rewards (linked to other game modes besides arena) that you can’t buy with crystals.

There was a point before that where pretty much everything could be bought with crystals. That’s not the case anymore.

Yes, crystals remain very valuable but focusing your resources on a single arena team and ignoring everything else is no longer a viable strategy because you will lose out in those other areas.

And at the same time, those other game modes also help a lot with gearing. In fact the cost of many of the g12 pieces (eg. 5750 for a furnace) mean that I’m more likely to get them from other sources aside from crystals.

"kello_511;c-2187958" wrote:

"Kyno;c-2187948" wrote:

"kello_511;c-2187947" wrote:

"Kyno;c-2187683" wrote:

"GJO;c-2187652" wrote:
Hope they finally move crystals from arena to GAC. Since they'll never fix the two broken tier on ships.

This doesnt seem like its in the plans, as we have heard nothing about it since it was kind of mentioned. This seems like it would be a touchy subject for a lot of players and they probably thought best to avoid a very community breaking change.

The idea I see in a similar vein to this that could work, would be, not necessarily a change from one to the other, but an increased income from GAC. much like when they added ships and offered a new path to earn a decent amount of crystals. This would fall in line with economy changes, as an increased crystal income could help alleviate some of the gear stress, and lessen the need for other more drastic gear changes.

Did they specifically say that they intended to move crystal income away from arena and into other areas?

I think they are already making moves to shift the focus from arena in other ways:

Want zetas? You can’t buy them with crystals - focus on your fleet.

Want GAS or Malak? You need GET for them, crystals won’t do it.

Want to slice up your mods? Better focus on GC because you can’t get those other slicing mats otherwise.

Crystals are no longer the only viable currency in the game and focus on only arena is not sufficient to keep pace.

we can agree to disagree, but crystals are the most versatile and best overall thing to accumulate in this game.

edit to add: you can focus on maximizing your crystal income as your only goal, and you can do good in just about every other aspect of the game.

At one point they fielded a question about moving away from arena as a primary source of crystal income. that is all we have. They have not brought this up again and there have been changes to the team since then. so who knows at this point.

I don’t remember the exact wording of the statement. I know it was around shifting rewards/focus away from arena, but was it specifically about crystals?

I’m just pointing out that since that statement, they have introduced rewards (linked to other game modes besides arena) that you can’t buy with crystals.

There was a point before that where pretty much everything could be bought with crystals. That’s not the case anymore.

Yes, crystals remain very valuable but focusing your resources on a single arena team and ignoring everything else is no longer a viable strategy because you will lose out in those other areas.

And at the same time, those other game modes also help a lot with gearing. In fact the cost of many of the g12 pieces (eg. 5750 for a furnace) mean that I’m more likely to get them from other sources aside from crystals.

I thought it was, but maybe not.....but what else do we get from arena that players would want or care about getting shifted away from there.

yes, you can back track the cost of items gained to crystals, but those only payout that much when you actually get them. so a possible chance at a full piece from the sith raid (for example) may be more in theory, but in practice you can still work things out and stay more flexible reliably getting first in arena than you can always being first in the sith raid. just as an example.

I agree we have seen more sources of other stuff, but that requires widening your roster, which is harder to do without that source of income to help refill energy, quicken farming for both characters, gear and all the other mats you now need.

either way, I see your point that they have widened the focus of the players trying to keep up at the top end, but its still all based on a solid income from both arenas.

I like the idea of keeping the marquee events around longer. Obviously if they were in a guide type of package peeps would cane them the day they could access them.

Maybe cycle old ones in a few days a month or something. Saves cg throwing away the work done on them. And a great move for newbies.