Nothing very much, TB Credits corresponding to the territory credits I earned, say 1 credit/10,000 territory points or 1 per stage completed, paid out when the stage ends. I want just enough credits to make me want to do them without imbalancing anything ;) I'm in a casual guild, and if I know my battle isn't likely to make a difference, it would give me incentive to actually play the battles instead of just deploying everyone. As it is, there is no incentive to complete them unless everyone does it or you're in a top competitive guild. I suspect we're an average pre-hAAT guild and we could do many of the areas just by deployment without battles. The battles only make a difference in a few areas.When people feel the extra effort isn't doing anything for them personally, they tend to not do it. When they feel that they are doing the work and other people are loafing, they won't do it either. Why would I do 15 minutes of work when I either won't see the reward or I know that other people aren't doing it. It's psychology 101.Make it conditional on your starring the region the battle is in so people won't play battles for regions they know they can't win, diluting the efforts of the team.

I agree wholeheartedly with this! My guild is at 12mil GP and we got 10 stars - for the last few phases we had no chance at all of getting a star, so I didn't even bother doing anything - no combat missions or deployment. If we could get some kind of reward besides the TB credits I would be more inclined to participate even if we couldn't get more stars

Did your guild get 0 stars? Rewards DO have a minimal payout if you achieve at least one star.Devs have said this is a group activity, which is why rewards are equal. It's up to guild leadership to motivate and direct people towards achieving a goal.If your personal goal is to earn max rewards in TB, then yes, you absolutely have to be in an active guild that pushes towards those rewards and possibly even cuts non-contributors.If you are in a casual guild, that is, I feel, a valid mode of gameplay. But you have to accept that you are in a casual guild. A casual player in a casual guild is not going to get All Teh Thingz. Progress will take a very long time. But presumably you accept that and are happy with it if you've chosen a casual mode of gameplay. If your guild is so casual that it's all social loafers and no one makes an effort until they see other people doing so, then I'm sorry. That's not really being casual, that's just being lazy. Maybe you could find another casual guild that at least does the best it can, or even a low-key active guild that you know won't cut you.

"TurgonGW;c-1263517" wrote:I agree wholeheartedly with this! My guild is at 12mil GP and we got 10 stars - for the last few phases we had no chance at all of getting a star, so I didn't even bother doing anything - no combat missions or deployment. If we could get some kind of reward besides the TB credits I would be more inclined to participate even if we couldn't get more starsI think this is their purpose though...to motive guilds to grow in power and strive to get to a point where they own more stars.It does seem as though the guild stuff does not have casual guilds in mind.

"evoluza;c-1263525" wrote:That's why we get 12hour phases. Cool. I'm sure no one will complain about weak rewards with 12 hour phases when they have half the time to do the same amount of work.

"crzydroid;c-1263568" wrote:If your guild is so casual that it's all social loafers and no one makes an effort until they see other people doing so, then I'm sorry. That's not really being casual, that's just being lazy. Maybe you could find another casual guild that at least does the best it can, or even a low-key active guild that you know won't cut you.You missed my point, the guild I'm in isn't social butterflies, they do have lives. Pick up Freakonomics or any social economics book and you'll see the points I tried to make about this system. The top guilds will do fine, but the rest are going to have this problem to varying degrees. I can see many guilds ending up with most members only doing platoons and deployments for most areas and only doing battles in one or two. People are great at gaming the system and for most guilds, that is the best answer as things stand now.

Why don't TB battles have some minimal payout?

TurgonGW
8 years ago
I agree wholeheartedly with this! My guild is at 12mil GP and we got 10 stars - for the last few phases we had no chance at all of getting a star, so I didn't even bother doing anything - no combat missions or deployment. If we could get some kind of reward besides the TB credits I would be more inclined to participate even if we couldn't get more stars
crzydroid
Retired Hero
8 years ago
Did your guild get 0 stars? Rewards DO have a minimal payout if you achieve at least one star.

Devs have said this is a group activity, which is why rewards are equal. It's up to guild leadership to motivate and direct people towards achieving a goal.

If your personal goal is to earn max rewards in TB, then yes, you absolutely have to be in an active guild that pushes towards those rewards and possibly even cuts non-contributors.

If you are in a casual guild, that is, I feel, a valid mode of gameplay. But you have to accept that you are in a casual guild. A casual player in a casual guild is not going to get All Teh Thingz. Progress will take a very long time. But presumably you accept that and are happy with it if you've chosen a casual mode of gameplay.

If your guild is so casual that it's all social loafers and no one makes an effort until they see other people doing so, then I'm sorry. That's not really being casual, that's just being lazy. Maybe you could find another casual guild that at least does the best it can, or even a low-key active guild that you know won't cut you.
crzydroid
Retired Hero
8 years ago
"TurgonGW;c-1263517" wrote:
I agree wholeheartedly with this! My guild is at 12mil GP and we got 10 stars - for the last few phases we had no chance at all of getting a star, so I didn't even bother doing anything - no combat missions or deployment. If we could get some kind of reward besides the TB credits I would be more inclined to participate even if we couldn't get more stars

I think this is their purpose though...to motive guilds to grow in power and strive to get to a point where they own more stars.

It does seem as though the guild stuff does not have casual guilds in mind.
NicWester
8 years ago
"evoluza;c-1263525" wrote:
That's why we get 12hour phases.

Cool. I'm sure no one will complain about weak rewards with 12 hour phases when they have half the time to do the same amount of work.
RalphTrickey
8 years ago
"crzydroid;c-1263568" wrote:

If your guild is so casual that it's all social loafers and no one makes an effort until they see other people doing so, then I'm sorry. That's not really being casual, that's just being lazy. Maybe you could find another casual guild that at least does the best it can, or even a low-key active guild that you know won't cut you.

You missed my point, the guild I'm in isn't social butterflies, they do have lives. Pick up Freakonomics or any social economics book and you'll see the points I tried to make about this system. The top guilds will do fine, but the rest are going to have this problem to varying degrees. I can see many guilds ending up with most members only doing platoons and deployments for most areas and only doing battles in one or two. People are great at gaming the system and for most guilds, that is the best answer as things stand now.
Xezee
8 years ago
You cant automate every single thing in game. If someone is intentionally not putting an effort, just kick him out, problem solved. This is the MMO way since forever.
AnTaR3s86
8 years ago
I like the idea of having some kind of reward per finished phase. Make it credits (not too many) and the battles will feel much more rewarding.
NicWester
8 years ago
"sneeekypants;c-1263982" wrote:
Once this gets rolling, I imagine this will take <10 mins for the early phases, <20 for phase 5/6 so saying it takes a week is a misleading. It takes about an hour and a half.

There's real time and perceived time.

You're right that this'll only take about an hour of real time, but because it's spread out over such a long stretch of time it's perceived as a lot longer than that. Give folks a little something every day based on their progress and that negative perception goes away.
NicWester
8 years ago
I gave this feedback in the Guild Feedback section (and somewhere in the Rewards Megathread here) with a good breakdown of daily rewards. I think the end of event rewards are okay, but they feel awful because you've been doing stuff for six days--only a little bit each day and not particularly onerous at any point, but still a while.

Giving standard rewards (gear, credits, ship credits, abilitymats, etc) at the end of each day would go a long way to making folks appreciate the end reward.
NicWester
8 years ago
"TurgonGW;c-1263517" wrote:
I agree wholeheartedly with this! My guild is at 12mil GP and we got 10 stars - for the last few phases we had no chance at all of getting a star, so I didn't even bother doing anything - no combat missions or deployment. If we could get some kind of reward besides the TB credits I would be more inclined to participate even if we couldn't get more stars

Well, to be fair, the main reward you get are the Guild Event tokens. Folks talk like you can only use them to get to G12, but if your guild is 12m you're muchmuchmuchmuch better off buying stun cuffs, stun guns, and other annoying farms to bring yourself up a lot higher.

The box is a bonus pull at a slot machine. The real reward is what you buy. It's