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- Can y'all stop with the "Sith back in the game" "Sith great again?" "Bastilla Shan Fallen the missing link for sith ?" blah blah blah
Sith have been meta like 4 times already and they are STILL meta, they are one of the few faction that can beat Revan, you got Sion, Nihilus, Traya, palpatine, Sith Trooper, BS Fallen, Maul, you got DV that can solo rancor and HAAT, a SITH Raid, 4 ships and 2 of these have been META since the appearance of ship arena (Scimitar and Tie Advanced) ... Every year new siths are being released, strong toons every time (Let's just forget about Marauder) ... you've got 2 of the most broken mechanics in the game (Annihilation, Isolation) and the best debuff that only sith can apply (Shock) ...
What do you need more ? An unbeatable sith team that can win every battle in 5 second ? A Sith capital Ship that has an AoE Thrawn ultimate at turn 1 ? What do you need to be happy ? "SithTrio_PO;c-1696582" wrote:
yea, i was mistaken.
let me correct. as said above, her utility is debuffs. problem is to inflict those. but if she go right after sion, no problem to inflict. traya give her potency, stack more potency and all good.
this is my team : https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/337366100033536001/512609057056620554/Screenshot_2018-11-15-14-34-18-657_com.ea.game.starwarscapital_row.png
this is my bast : https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/337366100033536001/512609055584288768/Screenshot_2018-11-15-14-33-22-155_com.ea.game.starwarscapital_row.png
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/337366100033536001/512611600398680074/Screenshot_2018-11-15-14-55-14-713_com.ea.game.starwarscapital_row.png
as you can see... g8, 3*, one omega, high potency, bad speed (she need to go AFTER sion)
ended up like this vs a guy who i consider top5 team in my shard. an obvious, strong counter. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/337366100033536001/512609056238862348/Screenshot_2018-11-15-14-37-18-847_com.ea.game.starwarscapital_row.png
so yea, i was wrong. she can counter vs Revan. just need tanky traya, and faster Sion. then DN do his thing perfectly, while bast cripples them all. enjoy.
Do you really need that much potency? Revan gives himself 20% and others 10% tenacity; other than jolee, there's not much other tenacity on a revan team and debuffing Jolee doesn't seem like a high enough priority to sacrifice other stats.
The amount of potency you have only becomes useful with 175%+ tenacity.- well, bast is all about debuffs. i dont care from her speed, i dont care from her offense, i dont care from her tankiness (its offense, i gonna use for TW vs revan). whats left? just potency. i dont care if its overkill actually. and if i could sacrifice 10 speed for mroe 10 potency, i would do that actually. because thats all she needs.
video coming soon, i'll share here. "SithTrio_PO;c-1696594" wrote:
well, bast is all about debuffs. i dont care from her speed, i dont care from her offense, i dont care from her tankiness (its offense, i gonna use for TW vs revan). whats left? just potency. i dont care if its overkill actually. and if i could sacrifice 10 speed for mroe 10 potency, i would do that actually. because thats all she needs.
video coming soon, i'll share here.
I suppose, but adding another 10 potency would do literally nothing to help you land more debuffs- when fighting Jolee, it might help. depends on the Jolee tenacity. i fought vs one with 50% tenacity (before the 100% bonus). if i face vs one with 80% tenacity ? i rather overkill on potency than overkill on speed in that case. i dont think that much potency is useless. it MAYBE have use. depends against who. and since the plan is to use on TW offense to counter revan, gotta be ready for anything.
- @FailingCrab here's the video : https://www.reddit.com/r/SWGalaxyOfHeroes/comments/9xba7j/trio_thrawn_fallen_bast_beat_revan_team_on_arena/ (in reddit, with explanations and mods)
as you can see, Jolee actually resist the stun from Bast. im not sure if its just the 15%, but if not, this is exactly why mass potency xD "SithTrio_PO;c-1696582" wrote:
yea, i was mistaken.
let me correct. as said above, her utility is debuffs. problem is to inflict those. but if she go right after sion, no problem to inflict. traya give her potency, stack more potency and all good.
this is my team : https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/337366100033536001/512609057056620554/Screenshot_2018-11-15-14-34-18-657_com.ea.game.starwarscapital_row.png
this is my bast : https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/337366100033536001/512609055584288768/Screenshot_2018-11-15-14-33-22-155_com.ea.game.starwarscapital_row.png
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/337366100033536001/512611600398680074/Screenshot_2018-11-15-14-55-14-713_com.ea.game.starwarscapital_row.png
as you can see... g8, 3*, one omega, high potency, bad speed (she need to go AFTER sion)
ended up like this vs a guy who i consider top5 team in my shard. an obvious, strong counter. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/337366100033536001/512609056238862348/Screenshot_2018-11-15-14-37-18-847_com.ea.game.starwarscapital_row.png
so yea, i was wrong. she can counter vs Revan. just need tanky traya, and faster Sion. then DN do his thing perfectly, while bast cripples them all. enjoy.
Yeah that makes more sense than Revan lead.- Nevermind. Honestly, against launch shard Revan/Jolee teams, she's not good. Dies way too easily and if you mod her for potency, she's too slow to be useful. Maybe at higher gear/star levels she'll be viable - but not at 3* g9 at least - not even close.
"Nikoms565;c-1696919" wrote:
Nevermind. Honestly, against launch shard Revan/Jolee teams, she's not good. Dies way too easily and if you mod her for potency, she's too slow to be useful. Maybe at higher gear/star levels she'll be viable - but not at 3* g9 at least - not even close.
Im at launch shard, and im able to beat Revans. surely its not good on this level for defense, but for offense, it does it.
and she dont need speed to be useful, and you dont care if shes not tanky. the facts are this:
Revan will focus Traya. if you have a tanky traya, and even lucky enough to TM swap with thrawn or heal her with Sion' AoE, its even better. So you know Revan will focus traya, and you want to make her survive. if she survive until bast turn, she'll probably survive whole match (-30% cc combined with 40% crit avoidance means no critical hits unless ezra)
Bast dont need to do much. she do 0 damage, but she bring lot of utility. the debuffs she spread are great. even if she does 1 turn (and in that turn, she'll inflict Corrupted BM and almost guaranteed 1 stun) - it will allow DN to do his thing. thats because Thrawn is there and fracture + the debuffs from bast is slowing the revan team really well. and slow enemy team means annihilates for DN.
so you know they'll focus traya- make traya tanky to slow them down. then, fracture, Pain, CorruptedBM, stun - to slow them down even more. DN will do the rest.
saying it wont work against "launch shard Revan" is simply not true. sent already a proof that it is.
obviously im using Revan on def and in general, and i did this just to check for TW offense (and it works, and therefore its good enough for me), but if people are searching for some cheese solution to beat even the best Revan teams - Fallen Bast, at 3*, g8, with lousy 200 speed and combined 20K HP+Protection, when combined with Trio+Thrawn, is good enough to beat top revan teams. period."SithTrio_PO;c-1696936" wrote:
"Nikoms565;c-1696919" wrote:
Nevermind. Honestly, against launch shard Revan/Jolee teams, she's not good. Dies way too easily and if you mod her for potency, she's too slow to be useful. Maybe at higher gear/star levels she'll be viable - but not at 3* g9 at least - not even close.
Im at launch shard, and im able to beat Revans. surely its not good on this level for defense, but for offense, it does it.
and she dont need speed to be useful, and you dont care if shes not tanky. the facts are this:
Revan will focus Traya. if you have a tanky traya, and even lucky enough to TM swap with thrawn or heal her with Sion' AoE, its even better. So you know Revan will focus traya, and you want to make her survive. if she survive until bast turn, she'll probably survive whole match (-30% cc combined with 40% crit avoidance means no critical hits unless ezra)
Bast dont need to do much. she do 0 damage, but she bring lot of utility. the debuffs she spread are great. even if she does 1 turn (and in that turn, she'll inflict Corrupted BM and almost guaranteed 1 stun) - it will allow DN to do his thing. thats because Thrawn is there and fracture + the debuffs from bast is slowing the revan team really well. and slow enemy team means annihilates for DN.
so you know they'll focus traya- make traya tanky to slow them down. then, fracture, Pain, CorruptedBM, stun - to slow them down even more. DN will do the rest.
saying it wont work against "launch shard Revan" is simply not true. sent already a proof that it is.
obviously im using Revan on def and in general, and i did this just to check for TW offense (and it works, and therefore its good enough for me), but if people are searching for some cheese solution to beat even the best Revan teams - Fallen Bast, at 3*, g8, with lousy 200 speed and combined 20K HP+Protection, when combined with Trio+Thrawn, is good enough to beat top revan teams. period.
Maybe on your shard. I've run her twice - modded the same way you suggest and both times I lost to mediocre Revan teams I almost always beat. Bastila dies too easily, does no damage and any minor debuff she lands disappears in 5 seconds with all of the cleanses. I wish she worked like in your one video - but I'm beginning to think that was just good RNG, as I got crushed by two teams I almost always beat.
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