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6 years ago

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lets be honest, SIMS 4 is a failure.

Sims 4 has some, nice cool additions, but all in all is a turn for the worst. The neighborhood is a complete joke. When i first opened the game my jaw dropped for a full minute in disbelief. I and m...

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Seet1663
6 years ago
to be honest The Sims 3 is the best game in sims series
The Sims 3
+ Open world with large map without loading screen
+ Cars
+ Thief and Police (sims 4 don't have thief or police XD)
+ Many social option
+ pets DLC dogs/cats/ horses ( horses are missing in sims 4 pet DLC XD)
+you can go to work without loading screen
- create sims is not easy
The Sims 4
+ create sims are more Flexibility and ease
+ sims feel more emotion happy/angry/sad... and sims will do multitask
+ build mode easy to build
- small map with loading screen (not open wold)
- no cars (it useless without large map open wolrd)
- basic game pooring in contents
- heaven world XD (sims 4 don't have Thief and Police)
- many bugs and errors
- pets dlc are missing horses

PugLove888

Hero (Retired)

6 years ago

@bobjob113, I couldn't upgrade my computer at that time, and even people who did said that at that time they had great difficulty playing TS3. It does seem that computers today are better able to handle it, but for the time it was the newest Sims version, most could not get it to work properly with all of the packs installed.

Also, even with the best computer, that still doesn't help the fact that TS3 often has an empty world. When all the other Sims are anywhere but where your Sim is, this is a problem! If I go to the park, I expect to see other Sims there, ,and that was rarely the case. 😞

I did like some things in TS3, but it just isn't fun to play when your game grinds to a halt.

But even when TS3 was new and only had a few packs I still didn't like it nearly as much as TS2 when it only had a few packs. TS2 is the best at least for gameplay! ❤️🙌🥳

Player_jp5s5eav

Seasoned Ace

6 years ago

Ah, this is still going on? Well, I seem to not be quite so much in my irritated/despondent mood yesterday, so how about we just say we all have our favorites and when you say one version is the best it isn’t so much to look for agreement and just to be able to express your love. No need to argue about it. Sims is the Sims no matter the generation.

Anyway, I do agree that when compared to the previous versions Sims 4 is perhaps the worst version come to date. I think this mainly is due to how incomplete it was and in some ways still is when it came out. Notes of it at first being intended to be an online version also likely explains its bare bones beginning. It was an unfortunate extreme hit or miss experiment.

In turn, it feels like ever since its release EA has been constantly trying to provide what all the previous simmers love, but because their plan was so different originally, everything they have managed to produce are unfortunately just as lackluster because it is likely very rushed.

I feel that Sims 4 is something of a failure in regards to being a simulation game. As a tool to create and build, however… I find it is very strong. I unfortunately went into a tirade post elsewhere, but I still stand by my views… Sims 4 at best is EA testing the waters with what they hoped would be refreshing and new for the new generations. Their testing unfortunately just left many feeling empty and irritated because for the gains, so much was also lost.

In the end, what really keeps Sims 4 alive is the hardcore Sim fans. I am utterly impressed with how hard so many people have worked to produce things to keep the game interesting in terms of mods, challenges and cc. In some sense, that is great. Wow, Sims 4 really has helped simmers express and create incredible things… but the things they are making shouldn’t have to be made by the fans just to make the game more enjoyable. The game needs to be able to stand on its own.

PugLove888
Hero (Retired)
6 years ago
@Player_jp5s5eav, well, I wanted to respond to last months posts, but I had some real-life stuff that prevented me from doing so. So that is why I'm responding much later than everyone else.

You do make a fair assessment of why the TS4 is the way it is. I had heard that too about it being intended for an online game that didn't pan out. But others have said it was supposed to be a mobile phone game. I tend to believe that it was supposed to be online. But that is speculation on my part.

I do prefer TS4 for several reasons. I love the multitasking, I prefer the toddlers and Vampires, I prefer CAS and Build/Buy layout in TS4, I think building is easier in TS4 , and also, I prefer the graphics (I'm a very visual person, so this is more important to me than it is for some other people) . But that said even with the outdated graphics of TS2, the gameplay makes up for that!🙌 This was not the case for me in TS3. I think the open world was a good concept, but its emptiness is what made it boring to me. And coming off of the phenomenal gameplay of TS2, I really felt the lacking gameplay in TS3. I learned my lesson from TS3, and so I didn't expect its gameplay to exceed that of TS2, so I wasn't disappointed with it!

I do prefer TS3's personality traits and the amount of them we can use on one Sim to be better than TS4's ! 😎 Most people go on and on and on about TS3's open world being its best feature 🤒, but I thought it was the personality system!🙂 (Not counting CASt because the pattern/color wheel in TS3 was a decorating feature and not a gameplay feature, but I do think that was the best thing about TS3, even if the CASt wheel bogged down my computer -- which was mostly because I couldn't stop creating patterns for it! 😃)

But the lagging, stoppages, load times, and crashes are what always made me angry when I played TS3. I was always angry 😬 to the point that my husband kept telling me to stop playing the game if it upset me that much! Never have that problem with TS4.🙌 I am normally a "more is more" kind of person, but with TS3 I learned that sometimes less can be more peaceful. 😇
Still, TS2 had the best combination of performance and gameplay! I was seriously addicted to that game in a way I haven't been with any other game before or since.🥳 I never expect that magic to happen again! 🤨
- Player_jp5s5eav
  Seasoned Ace
  6 years ago
  It is sad so many of us feel like the magic of the past will never be revived. I've admitted plenty of being the youngest child watching my eldest brother (It came out the year after he graduated high school.) playing the Sims from generation one to now. It is only now seeing some videos on youtube do I remember things I completely forgot about. I find myself envying him so much now.
  Though for today's standards I can certainly see various aspects of the old not being as well accepted and of course mods still being produced. I saw you couldn't have them multitask, you couldn't even have them clean up a floor covered in a million baby bottles without having to order your sim to pick one up at a time to throw away... those little things, I thought, "Man, I'm glad Sims 4 isn't like that." In other cases, just the elasticity of the Sims in the past and the way the world actually functioned on its own without your direct input or your sim's... that was lovely.
  I don't see generated sims in 4 doing things you'd have to orchestrate on your own out of the blue. Sims 2 player causally waiting for his sim to return from a rabbit hole exam in college. In the dorm two sims are suddenly brawling. Okay, pick the sim that looks coolest and cheer him on! Aw, man... he lost... Oh! Now my sim has returned. Dude, you missed something epic! (Don't worry, though, I recorded the whole thing.)
  Then I see things in Sims 2 that again make me think, "Glad I don't have to wait for both these sims to have such high levels in friendship or romance as well as be in the optimum mood to be able to do this or that." or "My Sim has to make friends to get promoted?!?! What is wrong with you?!"
  
  Learning about the Sims, experiencing Sims 4 and watching let's plays of previous versions... I sincerely hope EA takes a step back, actually looks at its legacy and is able to get the simulation aspect back into focus over the visual. Though I am grateful EA Sims look the way they do now. Sims 2 and even 3 could really creep me out. They sometimes still do. The ones in the Medieval looked pretty good, though. If they had expanded just a little further than how they looked there, I'd have been fine if Sims 4 CAS had not reached the level it has now.
  
  Yeah, though... Look carefully at the core, The Sims 2000, then look at the fans. Look into the things the fans loved and hated throughout the generations. Some of the loves (CASt and open world - I never knew those since my bro was out of the house by then) obviously are not highly compatible for mainstream, so yeah, there will be some things that are not brought back. Those fall less under simulation game play, however, so I can understand the cuts there.
  "We love making likes and dislikes, we like wants/whims that truly relate to the sim, we miss picking a few of their favorites, we loved story progression, we miss when sims can have actual consequences for their actions."
  "We hate not being able to multitask, we hate how they drop used things on the ground or never put left over away, we hate not being able to assign beds, we hate how the children still never put their homework back into their inventory when they are done!"
  If the majority of the fans love or loved it, keep it, EA! (It does look like they do try to fix/change the annoying things, but for some reason they throw away the good things, too.)
  
  Looking at the game setting in Sims 4... I think they could have made great use of the on/off ability (like how they did for autonomy) in this regard. Give the option to turn certain things off. "I'm doing this, so I don't need story progression on, so I'll turn it off. I don't care about little things like what my Sim's favorite color is, so I'm turning that off. My sims are autonomously doing things I don't want them to do! I'm turning that off!" That and modes could be considered. High definition mode, if you want CASt and Open World, use this mode. If you don't have the specs for it, then it is your loss if your computer dies. Your computer can't handle that? Then use regular, where you have a still very flexible CAS and a loading screen. That is still too much on your computer? Here is a low definition mode with preset body types and no world map screen. Instead you'll get pop-up with listings of places you can go. Select fro the menu and travel!
  
  @PugLove888Yeah, don't mind me. My brain is really going through some problems lately and lots of real life stuff is just now blooming - family member I live with just had surgery today and is now home. Whoop!
  - PenguinFoop
    6 years ago
    Wow listening to this Sims 3 is better no Sims 4 is better nuh uh Sims 1 is better is a bit crazy. To be honest, I never played Sims 2 and only barely played the original Sims. However, I fell in love with Sims 3 so that was my gold standard for the franchise. I play on console so never had the lagging issues with either though from time to time the game would crash but I think that was more because my system was getting old. Sims 3 had some great features that I do miss in Sims 4 but all in all, I find I'm loving Sims 4 more every time I play it.
    When I first downloaded it, I played it for like 15 minutes and hated it. It sat on my console for at least a month before I gave it another go and I stuck with it. Now, it's the only game I play. I have others that I keep threatening to go play but it always turns out to be Sims 4. The biggest thing I've learned from reading this back and forth is that y'all just can't seem to adjust to things that are new and different. Yeah, sure there are things about Sims 3 that I'd love to see added to Sims 4. The material creation, the color wheel, the cars, the thieves and cops. That sort of thing but they're not here. Move on, my peeps. Maybe they'll return, maybe they won't. I hope they do but will live if they don't.
    Just sharing my opinion with love. <3