I don't know, I just really wish that the Sims team hadn't included "avoiding cheating at all costs" in the trait description. In my gameplay, I pretty frequently end up playing with polyamorous Sims, which I do have to use mods to achieve because the Sims as-is only recognizes monogamy or cheating. It's frustrating to see this wording because people who are ethically nonmonogamous can still be very loyal to their friends and partners, and the subtext within the game that they cannot really be loyal if they're dating multiple people is a harmful stereotype. Because of this, I'll probably never use this trait for my sims.I wish that there was more official support for polyamory in Sims from the Sims team, and with all their talk of making the game more inclusive to different sexualities and gender identities, I thought that they might add more recognition for poly/ethically nonmonogamous people. But this trait as-is is definitely not it.

Well I guess not unless we make noise about it. I'm not sure but I'd hazard a guess that the Player trait (from one of the romance aspirations) does work in gameplay in a somewhat similar manner as a Polyamorous trait would so it'd be totally doable to expand upon that to create a normal personality trait like that. I wish we could have it in the game. Well, I already have since I a have an "adult" mod that includes it but can't say I use it much but I like having the option.

I mean, at the end of the day the worst you're ever going to see in base game is some covers moving around. Why should a romance that is unconventional by some people's standards be seen as automatically too mature?

So, I mean the entire point of this thread is a type of queer relationship that the Sims does not support. Your comment shows your lack of knowledge when it comes to this issue and queer issues in general so I'm not sure why you're commenting on this thread.

I have some throuples in some of my games. I even have a post about how to get polyamory to work here: https://answers.ea.com/t5/General-Discussion-Feedback/make-poly-relationships/m-p/10443449#M50356I actually really like the new Loyal trait, because while I do play with polyamorous couples, I almost never play with infidelity. (I had an evil, noncommittal Sim have an affair with Don Lothario for a storyline, and I have played Black Widow, mainly because it was out of character for me and I wanted to break out of a rut.) But it would be nice to have some poly rep in the game, I agree. Poly acceptance is lagging behind LGBTQIA acceptance in society in general and the game in particular.(That said, I was thrilled to have Ace visibility in the sexual orientation update, since my bestie is Ace. Also Aro rep. In general, I really like the sexual orientation settings, guys! But I agree that more poly rep would be nice.)

@DeceivedComet19 Alas, but that's good to know. I'll be sure to avoid that trait for any of my poly Sims. Thanks for testing this out!(And yes, I absolutely see your point about how equating monogamous with loyal is not exactly presenting polyamory in the best possible light!)

So am I the only one not thrilled about the new Loyal trait?

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jpkarlsen
Hero (Retired)
3 years ago
@DeceivedComet19
EA will do nothing that jeopardizes the games rating so this will never happen.
siirysiir
Seasoned Ace
3 years ago
Well I guess not unless we make noise about it. I'm not sure but I'd hazard a guess that the Player trait (from one of the romance aspirations) does work in gameplay in a somewhat similar manner as a Polyamorous trait would so it'd be totally doable to expand upon that to create a normal personality trait like that. I wish we could have it in the game. Well, I already have since I a have an "adult" mod that includes it but can't say I use it much but I like having the option.
DeceivedComet19
3 years ago
I mean, at the end of the day the worst you're ever going to see in base game is some covers moving around. Why should a romance that is unconventional by some people's standards be seen as automatically too mature?
DeceivedComet19
3 years ago
So, I mean the entire point of this thread is a type of queer relationship that the Sims does not support. Your comment shows your lack of knowledge when it comes to this issue and queer issues in general so I'm not sure why you're commenting on this thread.
xochiquetzl_xkvn
Seasoned Ace
3 years ago
I have some throuples in some of my games. I even have a post about how to get polyamory to work here: https://answers.ea.com/t5/General-Discussion-Feedback/make-poly-relationships/m-p/10443449#M50356
I actually really like the new Loyal trait, because while I do play with polyamorous couples, I almost never play with infidelity. (I had an evil, noncommittal Sim have an affair with Don Lothario for a storyline, and I have played Black Widow, mainly because it was out of character for me and I wanted to break out of a rut.) But it would be nice to have some poly rep in the game, I agree. Poly acceptance is lagging behind LGBTQIA acceptance in society in general and the game in particular.
(That said, I was thrilled to have Ace visibility in the sexual orientation update, since my bestie is Ace. Also Aro rep. In general, I really like the sexual orientation settings, guys! But I agree that more poly rep would be nice.)
DeceivedComet19
3 years ago
So the MCCC trait prevents the "Loyal Sims don't cheat" bit of the trait? That's great! I was worried I'd have to download more mods to get a Loyal trait that didn't interfere with poly couples.
xochiquetzl_xkvn
Seasoned Ace
3 years ago
I honestly don't know if the loyal trait prevents poly couples or not. I haven't tried it with them. Sorry, my post had an unclear referent in it. ☹️
I edited to make it clearer.
DeceivedComet19
3 years ago
Oh, no problem! I could try to play test later. Still, though, not a great solution for people who can't use mods like console players.
xochiquetzl_xkvn
Seasoned Ace
3 years ago
@jpkarlsen
This is kind of a side issue and I don't want to get too off topic, but...
In addition to gays and straights, there are also bisexuals/pansexuals and asexuals, and people who are transgender. Also, these things are considered by many to be a spectrum rather than an either/or thing. I really like how the game settings allow us to separate woohoo interest and romantic interest, to rep our Aro and Ace friends (or ourselves, if applicable!). I would love more nuance to represent demisexual or genderqueer Sims, however. Right now I'm setting my demi Sims as not interested in woohoo at all but exploring, which is... probably close enough, gameplay-wise, but I make a face at the idea of demisexuals "exploring" as opposed to being secure in their demi-ness.
The team is aware of how heavily gendered the game is, and this, sadly, impacts trans and genderqueer rep. As I said, they're aware and say they're working on it.
DeceivedComet19
3 years ago
So I play tested the loyal trait using both MCCC for no jealousy and Lumpinou's polyamory mod. I was eventually able to get romance bars with the loyal Sim and both partners but he ended up with a 2-day tense moodlet from cheating that would refresh every time he'd romance the second partner as well as social options to "confess cheating" to his first partner.