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SqueamishNerd
Seasoned Ace
4 years ago

The Alpha to Omega Ranks in The Sims 4 Werewolves Have Sexist Baggage

In yesterday's stream we got a little demonstration of The Sims 4 Werewolves. It looks like a very interesting, fun, and solid game pack.

I just have one single problem with it: The rank system for werewolves.

So, we were shown that the rank system for werewolves goes from omega to delta to beta to alpha. Alpha being the leader.

There are two issues with this:
1. Many people think these are actual ranks in wolf packs, but that's a myth that simply just don't want to die.

2. This ranking system is also used to rank the human sexes, both in fiction and in real life.

Let's talk about the ranks in wolf packs first.

Wolves in the wild don't have a rank system that has anything to do with trying to be aggressive towards other wolves. Wolves in the wild are just families, and exactly like human families the parents have authority over the children. That's it. Wild wolves live in families that we just happen to call packs. The biologists (Rudolf Schenkel and L. David Mech) who originally did the studies on wolves where they got this idea about a rank system actually went out and said that their own studies were flawed and they misinterpreted things in wolves' behaviour.

Wolves in captivity is another thing. They don't have a family-hierarchy, because they're often not from the same original pack to begin with. They're put in a stressful environment, often an enclosure that's way too small for that number of wolves, where they don't know the other wolves. They might fight each other, not necessarily to raise in rank, but to not get picked on etc. After a few generations they will simply have the same family dynamics as wild wolves have.

Some people also apply these flawed studies on human-dog relationships, and use it as an excuse to be aggressive towards their dogs.

Then, let's talk about the heavier subject. The sexism that stems from this myth.

We live in a patriarchy. Men are in general seen as worth more than women. Of course there's some intersectionality so that not all men are seen as worth more than all women, but in general men are seen as worth more than women. That's the general status quo.

The alpha to omega system has been adopted from the flawed study on wolves into the lives of humans. People use it both in fiction and in real life, and they use it to uphold the patriarchal status quo.

When this rank system is used in real life it's almost exclusively used by people who think they're worth more than other people because they think they're alphas when they're actually just aggressive douchebags.

In fiction, on the other hand, this rank system is often used in a way where the human sexes have different physical and biological characteristics depending on their rank. For example Alpha males are often depicted to doing questionable things to other people against those people's will, because it's "in his biology". Omega males are usually portrayed as having partly female anatomy that causes them to act a bit "hysterical" at times. Omega males are also more often depicted as gay than the other ranks. In some fiction omega males are depicted as that fictional universe's equivalent to trans men.

(I'm not trying to say that it's not okay to enjoy this kind of fiction, to each their own y'know. I'm just explaining the sexist and sometimes homophobic and transphobic themes of this type of fiction.)

The ranks in an alpha to omega system are usually as follows (highest to lowest rank):
1. Alpha male (Manly Man TM, the Chad, a douchebag, you get the point)
2. Alpha female
3. Beta male
4. Beta female
5. Omega FEMALE
6. Omega MALE (a man so "feminine" that he's worth the least)

(There are sometimes other Greek letters shoved in there, between beta and omega, for example delta or sigma.)

Notice how alpha male stands above alpha female, and how beta male stands above beta female. The status quo of our patriarchal society.

And then we have the omega male, he has the lowest rank because he's a "feminine" man, also often depicted as a gay man and/or a trans man in some literature, and we all know that feminine, gay, and trans men are looked down on, also because of the patriarchy.

So, all in all this system stems from a sexist, and sometimes homophobic and transphobic, viewpoint, and I don't think something with that baggage should be in a game like The Sims, even though it's not used in that way at all in this game specifically.

Edit: Just to clarify, I’m not saying that I don’t think there should be a hierarchy for the werewolves, that’s absolutely fine, I’m just saying that the words used for the different ranks come with a sexist, homophobic, and transphobic baggage when used for humans and werewolves.

In biology the terms are used for species where there’s actual hierarchical fights between individuals. Since wolves and humans aren’t species like that the biological aspect is lost, and since it’s used in sexist, homophobic, and transphobic ways, in both real life and in fiction, for humans, werewolves, and other dog-like humanoid creatures, the baggage is there even if the words aren’t used in the same way in The Sims as in real life and in literature.


Compare to the word “hermaphrodite”, when used in biology for actual species where it applies, for example snails, it’s an absolutely fine word to use. Since humans isn’t a species where this applies, the biological aspect is lost and it comes with a baggage of being a slur.

6 Replies

  • jpkarlsen's avatar
    jpkarlsen
    Hero (Retired)
    4 years ago

    @SqueamishNerd 

    You are right that in the wild, wolfpacks usually consist of of a family parents and their offspring up to the age of about tree where they are "encouraged" to leave "home". However it does not apply to Werewolves as they do not live in the wild as a pack based on their own family but brought together in a similar way as wolves in a zoo so hierarchy does play a role here.

    Then there is your talk about "sexism". You fail to realize that males for thousands of years was the ones that brought home food, protected their family and so on naturally placed them at the top as the most important individual in the family. That women in the last hundred years have started to bring in food to the family does not change that.

    Lastly this is a game and it does not necessarily reflect real life. As you may know in the real world there are no Werewolves or a lot of the other things in the Sims. 

  • SqueamishNerd's avatar
    SqueamishNerd
    Seasoned Ace
    4 years ago

    @jpkarlsen 


    @jpkarlsen wrote:

    You are right that in the wild, wolfpacks usually consist of of a family parents and their offspring up to the age of about tree where they are "encouraged" to leave "home". However it does not apply to Werewolves as they do not live in the wild as a pack based on their own family but brought together in a similar way as wolves in a zoo so hierarchy does play a role here.


    Sure, werewolf packs in The Sims 4 Werewolves are brought together, they're not formed from a family, but they're brought together by their own free will, they're not put in a zoo.


    @jpkarlsen wrote:

    Then there is your talk about "sexism". You fail to realize that males for thousands of years was the ones that brought home food, protected their family and so on naturally placed them at the top as the most important individual in the family. That women in the last hundred years have started to bring in food to the family does not change that.


    When it comes to humans tens of thousands of years ago, they had roles in their tribe (family). Hunters weren't at the top. All people of the tribe had different roles when it came to bringing food, protecting the tribe etc. All roles were important.

    In a tribe there were hunters, most of them were men but not all of them. Another group of the tribe were the gatherers, they were equally important since they also brought home food, most of them were women but not all of them. The hunters and the gatherers were equally important, but for different reasons. The hunters brought food with proteins and fats, but they couldn't bring it consistently, because it's hard to hunt. The gatherers brought food with carbohydrates along with some fat and protein (from nuts and such), they could bring the food more consistently but in smaller quantities.

    Also, studies of human skeletons from the period of hunter-gather societies have shown that some women hunted and some men gathered. This has been known by anthropologists for almost 50 years by now.

    So, to place men over women IS sexist, even if we only look at what humans were like for over 10,000 years ago. Though it's kind of an odd thing to have as an argument of how humans should rank people today, since our current society looks vastly different from our far ancestors' society.


    @jpkarlsen wrote:

    Lastly this is a game and it does not necessarily reflect real life. As you may know in the real world there are no Werewolves or a lot of the other things in the Sims. 


    The alpha, beta, omega hierarchy in fiction also often depicts werewolves, or other dog-like humanoid creatures, not only humans, so it doesn't matter that this is a game that doesn't reflect real life, because the fiction doesn't reflect real life either.

  • jpkarlsen's avatar
    jpkarlsen
    Hero (Retired)
    4 years ago

    @SqueamishNerd 

    I did not write that they would be put in a zoo but that their hierarchy would be similar to wolves in a zoo. You can also compare them to a street gang if that makes it easier for you. They also have a strict hierarchy.

    You may be right that it was not the hunters that were ranked the highest but instead the warriors but that would not change anything as that would also be the men.

    Women did have their role as you write raising the children cooking, gathering and so on. That is also important but was not SEEN as important as the male roles by the society as such. You and I can agree that it should not be like that but the fact is that it was that way. Up through the ages women have been seen as not as important as men even to the extent of being treated as a commodity you could sell for money or influence. It is a sad truth that we even today in some societies still sees this with girls at the age of 12 being married off to much older men. In some parts of Africa one of the more common cause of deaths for girls are childbirth. Why you chose to look at society as it was 10.000 years ago I don't know. We still see it in our more enlightened world in the workplace and elsewhere. I just pointed out that you were not going to change something that has existed for that long overnight. 

    I am also confused that you claim that having a hierarchy is somehow "homophobic and transphobic".

    But I'm glad that you at least realized that the game is a work of fiction.

  • @jpkarlsen 

    There were female warriors. Anthropologists' studies suggest that the hunter-gatherer societies were often very equal. Those who breastfed and/or were pregnant could only be gatherers and/or making clothes and tools (weaponry for example, which was highly valued btw), but otherwise most people were free to pick their own role in most tribes. Both men and women raised the children, even though women were the ones caring for the infants, because it made sense that the infants were where their food was. It was the gatherers who choose to were the tribe should migrate, because they had a very good understanding around ecology and navigation, they knew were the food would be, and were highly valued for this knowledge. Every person had a role that was highly valued in one way or another.

    Anyway, this is beside the point of my post, I'm just correcting the things that needed correction.

    And also, I didn't choose to look at what society was like thousands of years ago, you were the one bringing it up, when you said the following:


    @jpkarlsen wrote:

    You fail to realize that males for thousands of years was the ones that brought home food, protected their family and so on naturally placed them at the top as the most important individual in the family.


    The first signs of inequality in humans have been found after they started to settle and formed farming societies, but you specifically said "brought home food", suggesting that you refered to hunter-gatherer societies.

    Then, about your confusion around how the alpha-omega hierarchy being homophobic and transphobic. I didn't say that a hierarchy, as in any hierarchy, is sexist, homophobic, and transphobic, I said that this applies specifically to the alpha-omega hierarchy. I'm not against hierarchies among werewolves in The Sims, I'm pointing out that this specific hierarchy has a baggage of being used in sexist, homophobic, and transphobic ways, in real life and in fiction.

    Let me quote myself:


    @SqueamishNerd wrote:

    Omega males are also more often depicted as gay than the other ranks. In some fiction omega males are depicted as that fictional universe's equivalent to trans men.



    @SqueamishNerd wrote:

    And then we have the omega male, he has the lowest rank because he's a "feminine" man, also often depicted as a gay man and/or a trans man in some literature


    I never thought the game was not a work of fiction, that doesn't mean there can't be things that don't fit in the game. For example, I highly doubt that they would call a type of sim a "gypsy matchmaker" in The Sims 4, while that was a term used in The Sims 2. Language matters, and sometimes words can be offensive even when they're not used in a specifically offensive way.

  • jpkarlsen's avatar
    jpkarlsen
    Hero (Retired)
    4 years ago

    @SqueamishNerd 

    Sorry but there is absolutely nothing that supports your theory of there being female warriors or hunters. The problem lies in their physique. Men are bigger and stronger than women. A female warrior facing a male warrior! The fight would be over almost before it began. For hunters men were helped by their strength in how far they could throw a spear with effect. Also their stamina would help them in pursuing a wounded animal.

    Some have suggested that because we have some pygmy tribes today where women and children hunt small prey with nets that the women back then could have had a similar role. If only nets had been invented back then.

  • xochiquetzl_xkvn's avatar
    xochiquetzl_xkvn
    Seasoned Ace
    4 years ago

    Uh, I'd rather not get into the discussion of hunter-gatherer societies, even though I have opinions. 😉  I'd rather stick to the OP's topic at hand.

    That said:

    Yes! the game pack looks awesome so far and I'm really excited!

    Yes, the whole Alpha/Beta/Omega wolf thing is based on bad science but is such a werewolf trope that I think some people would miss it if it wasn't there. (I'm thinking the Parasol Protectorate series, for example.) On the other hand, um, well, if you peruse a fanfic archive for the term A/B/O you'll get... material that is not appropriate for this forum. It's apparently jumped the fanfic queue and is now a published fiction thing as well. Just... saying that my initial association with Alpha/Beta/Omega is... not T for Teen. Just saying that it's a little fraught.

    That said, I'm sure it's handled very tastefully in game and I can't wait to see more!

    P.S. My sister was a saber fencer and used to regularly defeat guys. Size, weight, and arm length are huge advantages, but they can be overcome with skill. And women do win Ultramarathons outright.