Does anyone else feel like its like that? Seems like nobody bother to implement actual AI routing collision, where Sims just phase and clip through one another. Or didn't have enough production time, but in a way they could have patched an improvement over the years. Idk.Ideally, the way I see how they could eliminate in a way (well, reducing) routing tantrum issue, made Sims turn by their side and walk sideways to escape traffic jams.

Agreed, routing and clipping is really bad in this game. I can almost forgive them occasionally walking through each other, but one time I saw about 10 Sims dancing in the exact same spot in one of the night clubs. It looked quite ridiculous and honestly I shook my head and closed the game at that point. I like the idea of them turning their body slightly as they passed each other, but this is TS4 we’re talking about ;)

This is probably in there because if you play older sims games you’ll see they got stuck all the time! I’m thankful every time they pass through each other, much better than the alternative. I always thought that was an improvement that came with TS4!

This was discussed by a guru years ago. Don’t remember which one, but they said the clipping was a side-effect if the “improved routing” of the game. What they meant was that Sims won’t get stuck, because they don’t register collisions in their path and will route through anything to get to the destination. It’s laziness for sure, but a lot of their laziness was sold to players as some sort of improvement.

It is kind of lame to see Sims phasing through other Sims, counters, stereos, dipping into walls, and such to get around other Sims, but I do still prefer it to what has happened in previous Sims games.Sims 3 had that annoying "shuffle, side-step, stand there tapping their foot" thing while they waited for others to move out of the way.Not to mention how some worlds had spots where Sims would literally get stuck. I found a townie once that was stuck behind the Bistro. Anytime I had my camera on him he was just constantly stomping his feet, throwing a routing tantrum. Sometimes I'd find some stuck in bushes at the central park. Resetsim is a great command.Sims 2 had the way a 1-wide staircase could have 2 Sims using it at once if one was going up and the other was going down but if 2 Sims wanted to go the same way at once, one would walk up and the other would throw a routing failure tantrum while they waited for the other to finish going up. Some issues with doors as well, too. Basically needed multiple front doors if you had more than one Sim needing to leave/enter at the same time, unless you wanted one of them to decide the back door of the house was a good alternative.Though unfortunately, it seems they aren't exactly... improving from where they currently are at with the Sims 4.I guess it'll be some time before we can see Sims do "advanced" routing things, like sidling past tight quarters or bending over surfaces to reach something on the far side. Not to mention how Sulani seems to have a few problem points where walkbys can get stuck in certain neighborhoods.I will say this, I have always hated "tantrums" by Sims.They are one of the most annoying things ever. It's like, "Just figure it out, please!".

AI routing - lazy/unprioritized implementation?

MidnightAura86
New Spectator
6 years ago
I’ve had sims route failure whilst trying to put their toddler to bed- whilst standing next to the bed. I don’t use MOO or cheat so it can and does happen. I’ve also seen route failure fairly recently in other occasions too. I’ve told my sim to go to the bathroom whilst she’s in the garden and she whines she can’t go there.
TomasGrizly
6 years ago
Yep, toddler beds are buggy and/or have weird requirements for parent-toddler interaction.

And, as I've said in other thread, what buggers me is that sims will route fail if I send them to pick up stuff from the fridge someone is just taking stuff from. Instead of going there and checking when they reach it (because, by that time, the other sim will be long gone) and forming an orderly queue in case there's more of them, they'll just be like 'nope'. Which means that, for large families, the best way to feed them all at once is to drag a plate from the fridge and call to meal.
Lonewolf1044
Seasoned Spectator
6 years ago
"Sigzy05;c-17144281" wrote:
"DragonCat159;d-961997" wrote:
Does anyone else feel like its like that? Seems like nobody bother to implement actual AI routing collision, where Sims just phase and clip through one another. Or didn't have enough production time, but in a way they could have patched an improvement over the years. Idk.

Ideally, the way I see how they could eliminate in a way (well, reducing) routing tantrum issue, made Sims turn by their side and walk sideways to escape traffic jams.

How about sims using bathroom sinks over kitchen sinks? That has never been fixed.

So true I had an Sim by the kitchen sink and it made it purpose to go to the other side of the house to use the bathroom sink to wah its dishes.
Simburian
New Traveler
6 years ago
"PrincipleOfEntropy;c-17140151" wrote:
Some Sims from different iterations walk into a bar.

The Sims 1 fellow angles past it.
The Sims 2 fellow waves his arms around and shouts.
The Sims 3 fellow taps his foot and waits for the bar to move.
The Sims 4 fellow walks through it.

Looks good to me! I just wish I had that superpower. :D o:)

It's just some of the ceiling lights that get my Sims stuck in Sims4. If your Sims get stuck in a small toilet, just move the light out I've found.
TheRainBeatsDow
6 years ago
"Simburian;c-17144799" wrote:
"PrincipleOfEntropy;c-17140151" wrote:
Some Sims from different iterations walk into a bar.

The Sims 1 fellow angles past it.
The Sims 2 fellow waves his arms around and shouts.
The Sims 3 fellow taps his foot and waits for the bar to move.
The Sims 4 fellow walks through it.

Looks good to me! I just wish I had that superpower. :D o:)

It's just some of the ceiling lights that get my Sims stuck in Sims4. If your Sims get stuck in a small toilet, just move the light out I've found.

Ceiling lights have always been kind of odd like that. I've had issues with routing in both 4 and 3 because of them.
Writin_Reg
6 years ago
"FreezerBunnyCowplant;c-17144272" wrote:
I hate that Sims constantly clip through objects or other Sims.
It breaks the immersion if your Sim just walks through the coffee table all the time.

Don't bother me at all. At least they never get stuck - like in past games. Now that bothered me - this does not. To each their own I guess. Foot tapping, arms waving or clipping - I'll take clipping anytime as long as they keep moving - I am happy.
Saneksemoo
6 years ago
https://i.imgur.com/XWudpWX.png
https://i.imgur.com/T8mW0hY.png
https://i.imgur.com/jiuCNji.png
It could at least be tweaked a bit.

"Goldmoldar;c-17144794" wrote:
"Sigzy05;c-17144281" wrote:
"DragonCat159;d-961997" wrote:
Does anyone else feel like its like that? Seems like nobody bother to implement actual AI routing collision, where Sims just phase and clip through one another. Or didn't have enough production time, but in a way they could have patched an improvement over the years. Idk.

Ideally, the way I see how they could eliminate in a way (well, reducing) routing tantrum issue, made Sims turn by their side and walk sideways to escape traffic jams.

How about sims using bathroom sinks over kitchen sinks? That has never been fixed.

So true I had an Sim by the kitchen sink and it made it purpose to go to the other side of the house to use the bathroom sink to wah its dishes.

A check to reject dish washing usage in basins where toilets would be great enough.
Felicity_Bane
6 years ago
"DragonCat159;c-17146765" wrote:
https://i.imgur.com/XWudpWX.png
https://i.imgur.com/T8mW0hY.png
https://i.imgur.com/jiuCNji.png
It could at least be tweaked a bit.

"Goldmoldar;c-17144794" wrote:
"Sigzy05;c-17144281" wrote:
"DragonCat159;d-961997" wrote:
Does anyone else feel like its like that? Seems like nobody bother to implement actual AI routing collision, where Sims just phase and clip through one another. Or didn't have enough production time, but in a way they could have patched an improvement over the years. Idk.

Ideally, the way I see how they could eliminate in a way (well, reducing) routing tantrum issue, made Sims turn by their side and walk sideways to escape traffic jams.

How about sims using bathroom sinks over kitchen sinks? That has never been fixed.

So true I had an Sim by the kitchen sink and it made it purpose to go to the other side of the house to use the bathroom sink to wah its dishes.

A check to reject dish washing usage in basins where toilets would be great enough.

There is a mod for that called "Don't Wash Dishes Where You Angry Poop" and another called "Don't Prep Food Where You Angry Poop." Unfortunately, the author hasn't updated them for the current patch. Fortunately, a couple of other modders have. Basically, you can disable any sink for dishwashing in the one and any counter/stove/fridge from food being prepped with the other.

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1-Lh7-m6k63CoFlgMIXPFgnASkN4d8Azy
http://modthesims.info/download.php?p=5543525#post5543525
EnderGamer87
New Spectator
6 years ago
I hate the bug where you have things queued up and the Sim just stands there for a long time doing nothing.
Felicity_Bane
6 years ago
"EnderGamer87;c-17146868" wrote:
I hate the bug where you have things queued up and the Sim just stands there for a long time doing nothing.

There's a mod for that as well. Given that these things can be helped with mods, I have no clue why Maxis isn't doing their own fixes.

https://www.srslysims.net/2019/05/simulation-lag-fix.html