Don't Complain if You Buy The Pack

"halloweenchild;c-17786056" wrote:

"Pamtastic72;c-17777456" wrote:

"bella_goth;c-17777453" wrote:
@Pamtastic72 yes there will always be ppl complaining about anything, but i'm pretty sure after adding way more toggles (they could even have intensity levels) a LOT less people would complain. the sims has never been a 100% realistic life simulator and it shouldn't have to be, but it has always been a game about customization and i think it would benefit a lot by adding toggles, not only for the complainers but also to adapt the gameplay to each player and to give devs more freedom when trying to implement a specific feature.

But @bella_goth they added TWO toggles for weather, one of which totally prevents sims dying from extreme temps in Seasons and people still complained until weather death got nerfed! That’s what I am saying. Toggles don’t seem to matter because they complain anyway and then the feature gets patched out.

This is what I've been saying too, along with there shouldn't be a need for toggles, not when the packs themselves are the toggle (in reference to RoM and Vampires). Like it's super easy to skip out on a pack because you don't like a feature, be it a main or side feature. But to buy it for a handful of decore and clothing items to then turn around and demand a nerf for a CORE GAMEPLAY MECHANIC, they really only have themselves to blame. You'll find that more often than not these people who demand nerfing of supernatural elements are the same ones who'll turn around and say TS4 is lacking in gameplay mechanics and fun things to do. Gee, I wonder why. /s

yeah sure ea will go and say "realism players, don't buy occult packs" lmao they ain't willing to lose money so of course if they see complaints they'll nerf things to keep these players. all i'm saying is instead of nerfing something add a toggle for it. most of the in-game toggles requires ppl to know all the game features and this can get boring and annoying. players want it easy so just add a toggle for them, what does it cost?
the game needs toggles, not only for occult related but for many other features. if they game didn't need them, then people wouldn't be using mods like mccc where you have tons of new options for your game. also, you're mixing up what people means when they say the game lacks gameplay. it's easy to say the game has lots of gameplay when half of it is reused.

"DragonAge_300905;c-17780676" wrote:

"Brinn;c-17780649" wrote:

"DragonAge_300905;c-17780625" wrote:
I don't interact with vampires or spell casters in some of my games. My sim gets bitten only 1 time if I leave the door unlocked and never sees any sims using a broom. I see the vampires around town but they're working and acting like a regular sim.

Complaints about vampires and spell casters in the sims can be compared to playing a RPG and choosing to play a thief. Then being upset because the game makes you do thief quests when you didn't want to steal.

Take Skyrim for example, when you join the thief guild you have to frame a shop keeper, once joined, you have to force several other shop keepers to give money to the guild. I don't know what else is in the quest line because I started a new game and now I don't join the guild. I did not tell Bethesda to take the thief guild out of the elder scrolls, instead I avoid doing the thief guild quests in my game.

The problem with the Thiefs' Guild in Skyrim is not about its questline (which is great, btw) :) It's about not having an option not to join them. Brinjolf would literally pursue your Dovakin if you didn't take the quest from him. Besides, in order to avoid getting this quest you must know very clear that choosing a certain response in his dialogue (quite innocent response btw) will result in beginning the welcome quest...

So you're right: the situation with the Thiefs' Guild in Skyrim is quite similar to the unavoidable occult gameplay in The Sims games ;)

Speaking about the Sims and Skyrim, I would prefer the Sims' supernatural gameplay to feel like joining the Dark Brotherhood, not the Thiefs' Guild: subtle, optional and not-so-obvious.

Did you know you can fail that quest and still become a member? Do you know the reason it plays like that? Because people complained in the prior elder scrolls games that they would be locked out of the guilds if they failed a joining quest. :)

Off-topic but whatever, XD. I honestly hate the way that questline starts, like Brynjolf literally assumes the newcomer to town is naturally a thief. Like does he do that with every new face and traveller that comes through Riften? It's a bit annoying. I wish him approaching the Dragonborn was more tied with the player's skills at stealth, lockpicking and pickpocketing or even knowing how many times they've lifted something form someone/somewhere. Rather than him just assuming they're a thief or want to be one.
It is also annoying that you can still join the Thieves Guild even if you fail the reverse pickpocketing mission, like that should be an indicator that the Dragonborn isn't a thief or a wants to be one Brynjolf ffs.

"bella_goth;c-17786133" wrote:

"halloweenchild;c-17786056" wrote:

"Pamtastic72;c-17777456" wrote:

"bella_goth;c-17777453" wrote:
@Pamtastic72 yes there will always be ppl complaining about anything, but i'm pretty sure after adding way more toggles (they could even have intensity levels) a LOT less people would complain. the sims has never been a 100% realistic life simulator and it shouldn't have to be, but it has always been a game about customization and i think it would benefit a lot by adding toggles, not only for the complainers but also to adapt the gameplay to each player and to give devs more freedom when trying to implement a specific feature.

But @bella_goth they added TWO toggles for weather, one of which totally prevents sims dying from extreme temps in Seasons and people still complained until weather death got nerfed! That’s what I am saying. Toggles don’t seem to matter because they complain anyway and then the feature gets patched out.

This is what I've been saying too, along with there shouldn't be a need for toggles, not when the packs themselves are the toggle (in reference to RoM and Vampires). Like it's super easy to skip out on a pack because you don't like a feature, be it a main or side feature. But to buy it for a handful of decore and clothing items to then turn around and demand a nerf for a CORE GAMEPLAY MECHANIC, they really only have themselves to blame. You'll find that more often than not these people who demand nerfing of supernatural elements are the same ones who'll turn around and say TS4 is lacking in gameplay mechanics and fun things to do. Gee, I wonder why. /s

yeah sure ea will go and say "realism players, don't buy occult packs" lmao they ain't willing to lose money so of course if they see complaints they'll nerf things to keep these players. all i'm saying is instead of nerfing something add a toggle for it. most of the in-game toggles requires ppl to know all the game features and this can get boring and annoying. players want it easy so just add a toggle for them, what does it cost?
the game needs toggles, not only for occult related but for many other features. if they game didn't need them, then people wouldn't be using mods like mccc where you have tons of new options for your game. also, you're mixing up what people means when they say the game lacks gameplay. it's easy to say the game has lots of gameplay when half of it is reused.

But there's the problem, people say "we need toggles" so the devs add them and people don't use them aka the weather-related deaths. There's a toggle there, but these people don't want to use it because turning off weather effects is "unrealistic". So the devs it seems are caught in a rock and a hard place, because there are toggles there as well as in-game defences against weather-related deaths (going inside, wearing the appropriate attire when outside etc) but players are fools and don't want to use what's provided so they'll continue to demand "NERFFFFFFFFFF!!!111!!" until there's NOTHING in the pack and it's a bland, watered-down safe dollhouse for them to play with.

Have you ever played a game before? A lot of games have recycled and reskinned content, if the asset is there it's often cheaper to reuse animation/assets than it is to make/build new ones. Sure the reusing of animations and assets are overdone in TS4, but it's not the first game to do so. Not to mention we have no idea what's going on behind the scenes and how the budget is allocated when it comes to modelling and designing. So who's to say if they have little or no choice but to reskin everything.

"halloweenchild;c-17786137" wrote:

Off-topic but whatever, XD. I honestly hate the way that questline starts, like Brynjolf literally assumes the newcomer to town is naturally a thief. Like does he do that with every new face and traveller that comes through Riften? It's a bit annoying. I wish him approaching the Dragonborn was more tied with the player's skills at stealth, lockpicking and pickpocketing or even knowing how many times they've lifted something form someone/somewhere. Rather than him just assuming they're a thief or want to be one.
It is also annoying that you can still join the Thieves Guild even if you fail the reverse pickpocketing mission, like that should be an indicator that the Dragonborn isn't a thief or a wants to be one Brynjolf ffs.

When you don't have a lot of gold, instead of implying you're a thief, he says that he can tell you don't have a lot of money and can earn some by thieving. And if you fail the quest, he chalks it up to the guild's recent string of bad luck. Taking you in isn't too much of an issue; if you fail, you're on your own. If not, you're an asset. But yeah, I agree that looking your stats makes more sense - the Mages Guild makes you learn certain spells or use your shouts, and the Dark Brotherhood requires you to take one of their contracts from under their noses and kill Grelod. For a thief, Brynjolf isn't even stealthy about recruitment.

I purposely fail the quest because Brand-Shei deserves better than prison. My boy make be a knife-ear, but he's an Argonian at heart. Plus I don't want to be mean to the NPCs.

@halloweenchild, I actually made that post to show what can happen when complaining about the way the game plays can result into a forced quest line. You are now forced to join the guild, can't say no or avoid joining the guild. The devs listened to the complainers and the quest line is the way they tried to appease the complainers. Which is sad because all you had to do in the earlier games was load your game and try to join the guild again, avoiding what made you fail when you tried the first time.

"halloweenchild;c-17786172" wrote:

"bella_goth;c-17786133" wrote:

"halloweenchild;c-17786056" wrote:

"Pamtastic72;c-17777456" wrote:

"bella_goth;c-17777453" wrote:
@Pamtastic72 yes there will always be ppl complaining about anything, but i'm pretty sure after adding way more toggles (they could even have intensity levels) a LOT less people would complain. the sims has never been a 100% realistic life simulator and it shouldn't have to be, but it has always been a game about customization and i think it would benefit a lot by adding toggles, not only for the complainers but also to adapt the gameplay to each player and to give devs more freedom when trying to implement a specific feature.

But @bella_goth they added TWO toggles for weather, one of which totally prevents sims dying from extreme temps in Seasons and people still complained until weather death got nerfed! That’s what I am saying. Toggles don’t seem to matter because they complain anyway and then the feature gets patched out.

This is what I've been saying too, along with there shouldn't be a need for toggles, not when the packs themselves are the toggle (in reference to RoM and Vampires). Like it's super easy to skip out on a pack because you don't like a feature, be it a main or side feature. But to buy it for a handful of decore and clothing items to then turn around and demand a nerf for a CORE GAMEPLAY MECHANIC, they really only have themselves to blame. You'll find that more often than not these people who demand nerfing of supernatural elements are the same ones who'll turn around and say TS4 is lacking in gameplay mechanics and fun things to do. Gee, I wonder why. /s

yeah sure ea will go and say "realism players, don't buy occult packs" lmao they ain't willing to lose money so of course if they see complaints they'll nerf things to keep these players. all i'm saying is instead of nerfing something add a toggle for it. most of the in-game toggles requires ppl to know all the game features and this can get boring and annoying. players want it easy so just add a toggle for them, what does it cost?
the game needs toggles, not only for occult related but for many other features. if they game didn't need them, then people wouldn't be using mods like mccc where you have tons of new options for your game. also, you're mixing up what people means when they say the game lacks gameplay. it's easy to say the game has lots of gameplay when half of it is reused.

But there's the problem, people say "we need toggles" so the devs add them and people don't use them aka the weather-related deaths. There's a toggle there, but these people don't want to use it because turning off weather effects is "unrealistic". So the devs it seems are caught in a rock and a hard place, because there are toggles there as well as in-game defences against weather-related deaths (going inside, wearing the appropriate attire when outside etc) but players are fools and don't want to use what's provided so they'll continue to demand "NERFFFFFFFFFF!!!111!!" until there's NOTHING in the pack and it's a bland, watered-down safe dollhouse for them to play with.

Have you ever played a game before? A lot of games have recycled and reskinned content, if the asset is there it's often cheaper to reuse animation/assets than it is to make/build new ones. Sure the reusing of animations and assets are overdone in TS4, but it's not the first game to do so. Not to mention we have no idea what's going on behind the scenes and how the budget is allocated when it comes to modelling and designing. So who's to say if they have little or no choice but to reskin everything.

there ain't a toggle to have weather effect but no deaths from it. and sometimes players do the things necessary and use the "in-game toggle" but for example i command my sim to go inside and put cold clothing, yet they prefer to go to the pool and freeze there for no reason, so while i'm busy with other sims this exact sim will die of cold just cuz their AI wouldn't prevent this behavior.
if people is asking for an exact toggle then instead of nerfing the feature just add the fckn toggle. and yes i have played other games before. i know many things are reused, i'm the first one to give ts4 devs the benefit of doubt by blaming it on their budget or ea's rush with the packs however it's hard to not notice that most of the gameplay is reused and most of the furniture is recolored. and while this is a common practice on this field, at least other games have way more options to reuse from, ts4 has the same interactions for half the game.

"CelSims;c-17781357" wrote:

"Loanet;c-17781335" wrote:
If there's one thing I hate, it's laundry. I hate the way things get dirty so fast, that then my Sims leave it lying around and get Uncomfortable and just seem incapable of doing laundry in any way even slightly efficiently. However there's something I've noticed - if you don't like doing laundry, don't buy laundry machines. I didn't go and ask for Laundry to be nerfed for 'realism' players, but it's the realism players who demanded something tedious like Laundry and then said it was too hard to be part of the game.

But I love including a washing machine and dryer in my builds. It makes the house look nice! I just don't want laundry! So they should get rid of laundry. They should make it a lot trait that people who want laundry have to slot on every house! Just in case I visit one of these houses though, their sims should never do the laundry autonomously. I don't want any of that in my game!

Yeah, I do kinda wish there were the option of purely aesthetic laundry machines or the option to turn them off (I have a laundry room but no laundry machines because my Sims are too stupid to handle it), so I'm relieved there's something you can use to have a haunted house but not need to have Guidry visiting every night. From the looks of things, he's just an automatic NPC with some specific dialogue that basically tells you everything about the pack and doesn't let you find out anything for yourself.

I love toggles, I use them all the time . Yes I have turned off the weather effects, as I do not need my game to be "realistic" ... My RL is enough realistic I need.

So yes if toggles given, I do not get the complains or nerfing.

Or options given! I have to use a mod to get vampire break ins to happen like those once happened. I could of just plant garlic near front door,f I would of not liked the break ins... and I mean REAL break ins, not those where Vlad shows up, rings a doorbell, and "Hey, can I tend your garden, take your rubbish out, or just kick the trash can and clean it after, PLEASEEEE???".

About reused animations, I do not have that big problems with those as some have, as long it makes sense. Like about Bonehilda.. "OMG!! She is reusing the animations of a maid! or butler! or skeleton!!!! OMG crime against the world!!" just a FYI, she IS a maid, she IS a butler and she sure IS a skeleton!

"DragonAge_300905;c-17786187" wrote:
@halloweenchild, I actually made that post to show what can happen when complaining about the way the game plays can result into a forced quest line. You are now forced to join the guild, can't say no or avoid joining the guild. The devs listened to the complainers and the quest line is the way they tried to appease the complainers. Which is sad because all you had to do in the earlier games was load your game and try to join the guild again, avoiding what made you fail when you tried the first time.

Oh yeah I got that, sorry I was just venting my frustration at the questline itself (played it again recently so my feelings are still fresh in my mind). Actually, the whole "It was too hard to get into X guild in previous games" is littered throughout Skyrim, it's probably why, in one way or another, the Guild questlines are tied to the main plot or introduced with the subtly of a sledgehammer. Same goes with a lot of the Deadric quests as well, now that I think about it. :-/
But you are right, trying to appease the complains just leads to nowhere because it ends up leaving the following game lacking in the more challenging aspects of gameplay. While I think some things should be easier (quest markers are a godsend in my personal opinion, but others might disagree) I still think there needs to be a balance of difficult gameplay that challenges the player just enough without it being too much.

I'm getting really tired of people saying "There's still no cemeteries*

Naturally any Cemetery lot would be different to Sims 3 cemeteries and then they'll say the cemeteries aren't good enough. But clearly they've never seen the gravestones hanging in Deco. it looks like with a little building you can live on a cemetery anyway. They could try turning on the Spooky trait that summons ghosts at night.

I really am not sure what was so amazing about cemeteries in Sims 3 since you can play as a ghost in Sims 4 anyway.