*I will start by saying I do not condone any type of attacks on Gurus, YouTubers, or other simmers, however I have noticed that many who are defending EA/Maxis/Gurus are saying that the community is entitled for having genuine complaints with Sims 4.I did the math and if a person is paying full price for every currently released pack (not including Star Wars) they would pay $729.65. For Sims 4 there for a total of the base game and 34 almost 35 packs.Sims 3 on the other hand has 20 packs (expansion and stuff packs) I do not remember the original prices and my Origin account is charging $19.99 for all of them so please share the total cost if you know it :) I believe if someone is putting all of this money into the game they have the right to speak their mind (as respectfully as possible). The fact that people are saying negative feedback shouldn't be shared is weird to me. I should be able to say "I'm disappointed in Sims 4" or "They should fix the problems/add what the community wants" without someone saying "if you don't like it don't buy it". I believe you learn more from negative feedback and to see those sharing it being told to basically shut up is crazy to me. I also don't remember the Sims 3 community being this toxic towards each other and EA. Then again other than lag issues I believe the Sims 3 team did a good job in addressing fan concerns and providing the community with a game that was enjoyable. I tend to like to know the thought process behind things, so I would love to hear the thoughts on why people are frustrated with the negative feedback being shared. To those who have called out others for sharing negative feedback, why did you do it/were against what they had to say? I would also like to know if someone has shared feedback that is more attacking why did you share your thoughts in this way? Hopefully we can keep things respectful and make this about learning about the "opposite" side in a sense.

A noble goal. Don't forget to take into account all the store stuff for TS3 - I've spent too much money there.I'm actually playing TS3 these days, and it does feel very rough around the edges when one has become used to TS4. In my opinion, EA charges way too much for it nowadays considering its age and considerable amount of script errors. I use NRaas mods to optimize its playability, but still. It's unstable compared to TS4. I have all packs for it except the Katy Perry one. I wasn't playing when it released and it was later made unavailable. Hopefully, that doesn't happen with any TS4 content. It's a completionist's nightmare.A lot of things should have and could have been fixed in TS3 before it was left. The same thing is happening with TS4. I don't know why fixing is so hard to do. I do know that my husband, who is developing software for welding machines, and his team can take several days sometimes to figure out and fix a bug in their program. When that happens he comes home very exhausted and frustrated. It's probably not much different when working with a game like TS4 which has a lot more programming going on than a welding machine. At some point, it's probably easier to leave some bugs alone (give up, essentially) or try to find an acceptable workaround while adding new content.I'm not saying this is an amazing strategy, because it's not. But I think it's sometimes the only worthwhile choice. If there is one thing I wish for this franchise, it's that bugfixing becomes more managable and is given higher priority. Something is a little messed up with the current time schedule, though. Three new packs are fired at us rapidly as if in a hurry. Maybe the next Sims game is closer around the corner than we realize. I don't know if I'll ever get into the next game in the series, but at least I can play TS4 without mods as it is. Even if it is a bit boring at times.Disclaimer: I would like to emphasize that I'm not out to dismiss anyone's feelings :| If it has happened anyway, I genuinely apologize. (Maybe I should put it in my signature)

I think the biggest problem is people are just sick and tired of the game being bugged. It's sad because you get so excited for new content and when you add it or they add a patch for it, many things break, that you would think would have no reason to break.And then people report the problems over and over and over, the same thing is happening in their game too, but nothing gets resolved. The least they could do on bug fixes is BE MORE TRANSPARENT! Tell people that they are trying to find a solution, it's just taking them awhile to figure out where the kink is in the pipeline that is causing the issue for seemingly unrelated bugs. So in their eyes, they are not listening, the only worry about money and not fixing the game, etc etc.So, some people have paid literally hundreds of dollars in content and their game is unusable or no longer functions the way that particular pack was supposed to. They need better QA protocols. Why not let some people in the community be your testers prior to release? Give them a copy of the pack for a limited number of hours to play then disable it to let them play thru it and then report back?

Here's the problem. Many people come here to talk about the fun times they're having in TS4, yet when you look at the board, more than half of the threads are complaint threads. IT'S TOO MUCH. It ruins the collective mood for everyone else. If people want to complain, that's fine...but can't we limit it to just a handful of threads instead of filling the board with them?

"Nate_Whiplash1;c-17642561" wrote:Here's the problem. Many people come here to talk about the fun times they're having in TS4, yet when you look at the board, more than half of the threads are complaint threads. IT'S TOO MUCH. It ruins the collective mood for everyone else. If people want to complain, that's fine...but can't we limit it to just a handful of threads instead of filling the board with them? Sometime there are only 3 of them at most at any given page of General Sims 4 Discussion and the rest are normal discussion topic, unless you knew very well that it's a complain thread and yet you still click on it.

I agree with @Nate_Whiplash1 They combine a lot into one thread that is positive. In another thread we were discussing positive threads being plowed over with negative comments and then they get closed. If a thread is named anything positive it seems to attract haters and this brings it to a close. Some of the stuff in the general discussion area should actually be moved to feedback or other areas. Anything about EA or Maxis should be in feedback. I have a hard time understanding why someone would intentionally interject or derail a positive or upbeat thread just to close it down. Users have admitted to doing this because they have a right to free speech. So do the users that want positive or upbeat threads. I feel that there in no where to have a positive thread that's not about cake or "who should my Sim marry" kind of threads.

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Trashmagic
New Spectator
5 years ago
"OEII1001;c-17643392" wrote:
Fun fact -- there's a feedback forum for all of this stuff. This particular forum was supposed to be about gameplay. The rub is that the feedback forum is more of an echo chamber; not a lot of fights to be picked over there. And so, the feedback crowd comes over here, where the fights are to be found.

That’s such a negative way to look at things and a huge assumption of people’s motives.
JanuaryGarnet08
New Spectator
5 years ago
I will just share my post from another thread.

"Pamtastic72;c-17643648" wrote:
I can’t believe I am in here saying this, but I agree with all of you. As a long time Star Wars fan girl, and a more recent Sims fan girl the disappointment I feel surrounding this pack is so real it’s painful. I have every single dlc released so far including the notorious MFPS, and have bought every single one them on release And always felt I got my full value from them. But, this, I can’t justify this, not at full price anyway. I don’t blame the devs either. I place the blame squarely on Disney’s doorstep.

As I said, Star Wars and I go all the way back to opening night of A New Hope, and when I heard Disney bought the franchise I nearly wept for just this reason. They rule their magic kingdom with an iron fist. They tightly control their image, and marketing to the point of suffocating most creativity so this collab was doomed from the start.

The silence of the devs on Twitter, the lack of a livestream all speaks to me of contractual obligation over this being any kind of a passion project for them, and notice they aren’t full throatedly defending it either. I am sure by contract they can’t speak against it, or even gives us much behind the scenes info on the dev process because no doubt they are tied into an ironclad Non Disclosure Agreement (NDA). Even if some of them love Star Wars, which I know for a fact from Twitter several do, as I and many others do I am sure as I am typing this that they had to let Disney check and quadruple check every single aspect to ensure it fit into their narrow little box that is a Disney product.

So now what we have is an extraordinarily lackluster, likely un-mod-able pack that has no element of The Sims trademark sandbox gameplay at all. I mean even Strangerville, which I personally still enjoy playing has a heavy sandbox element to it, my bet is Disney didn’t so much collaborate as dictate exactly how this pack would be. You can bet your land speeder they researched every aspect of TS4 and the GC program and the community as whole, and made absolutely certain that only certain GCs got access, those most likely to give a positive review and the highest number of subs, and made sure that no hanky pinky whatsoever would befall their characters as much as possible and their world couldn’t be altered.

The fact that Plumbella skewered them is probably going to shock the shoes off of them because she probably got early access due to her willingness to play occult and fantasy game styles and her large fan base.

Don’t get me wrong I enjoy Disney movies and shows even at my advanced age, but seriously they are the least creative, most formulaic “artistic” corporation on the planet. You always know what you’re getting with them, no surprises, none. But, this is a crying shame in my opinion because I honestly believe if the devs had been given their usual free reign on creativity especially the ones who love Star Wars, this game pack would have been amazing. The GPS are almost consistently the best dlc in this series but this one falls way short.
dovahkiinishere
5 years ago
"Sk8rblaze;c-17643680" wrote:
What makes anyone think this is exclusive to The Sims 4? The Sims 2 and The Sims 3 both had plenty of active, critical threads all throughout their lifespan, even outside of their respective feedback categories. Heck, this is a thing even in most other games' forums.

This forum is tamer than the others I've seen as far as all of this goes. When a user creates a thread calling for positivity, that is usually what they get. I do read the positive threads here and there, and I can't recall one time where I've seen "negative" users bombarding it with criticism. I know I don't, and I don't ever try to bring anyone else's experiences down with The Sims 4 through my posts. They're purely feedback from a long-time player wishing things are better. EA doesn't owe me anything, but they've provided this space for us to use for that very purpose.

That's part of why I'm so confused about all of Sims 3 love I've seen on here. When 3 was the active series, people hated it, including yours truly. The forums were a mirror image of this one while I was active on there. But now 3 is the golden child, and people 4 is the one people don't like. I agree that this one tends to be tamer though. I don't see near as many insults thrown around on here.
CAPTAIN_NXR7
Seasoned Veteran
5 years ago
"KaeChan2089;c-17643685" wrote:
I just heard that the transactions in the pack (can someone point these out I am confused what transactions) are rip from the Spore game?

I'm not sure why discussing this is relevant to the topic of this thread?
OEII1001
New Spectator
5 years ago
I'm sure that the OP would appreciate it if we could keep this thread on topic.
CAPTAIN_NXR7
Seasoned Veteran
5 years ago
"KaeChan2089;c-17644025" wrote:
"CAPTAIN_NXR7;c-17644020" wrote:
"KaeChan2089;c-17643685" wrote:
I just heard that the transactions in the pack (can someone point these out I am confused what transactions) are rip from the Spore game?

I'm not sure why discussing this is relevant to the topic of this thread?

because it is indeed true, they ripped it from another EA game and didn't bother to make it themselves? So I have negative feedback on that...?

I encourage you to read the opening post.
marea_a_moon
New Spectator
5 years ago
I think the thread title got some confused, they saw the words negative feedback and assumed it is for giving your negative feedback, doesn't help that some people might be confusing it with the negative thread for the new pack if they dont look carefully. Sorry your thread about negative feedback got hijacked by negative feedback accidentally.
marea_a_moon
New Spectator
5 years ago
"KaeChan2089;c-17644076" wrote:
"Mareah;c-17644073" wrote:
I think the thread title got some confused, they saw the words negative feedback and assumed it is for giving your negative feedback, doesn't help that some people might be confusing it with the negative thread for the new pack if they dont look carefully. Sorry your thread about negative feedback got hijacked by negative feedback accidentally.

And that's exactly what happened...my bad sorry.

It is alright, kae <3 You have been active on multiple threads so it was inevitable to mix between them on accident.
texxx78
5 years ago
Lately i've been participating less in the forum cause it has lots of threads about the same issues and for the most part the threads themselves are being so repetitive. Nothing against people's opinions. It's just getting boring. I missed when there were threads that made me discover new stuff in the game and different playstyles...
charmed4life4
5 years ago
"Nindigo;c-17642543" wrote:
A noble goal. Don't forget to take into account all the store stuff for TS3 - I've spent too much money there.

I'm actually playing TS3 these days, and it does feel very rough around the edges when one has become used to TS4. In my opinion, EA charges way too much for it nowadays considering its age and considerable amount of script errors. I use NRaas mods to optimize its playability, but still. It's unstable compared to TS4. I have all packs for it except the Katy Perry one. I wasn't playing when it released and it was later made unavailable. Hopefully, that doesn't happen with any TS4 content. It's a completionist's nightmare.

I completely forgot to count the store! However I was a broke college student and saved up all of my Sim Points. I was able to get the majority of what I wanted by the time I was ready to transition to Sims 4 and I didn't pay a dime of real money for any of it. I have been enjoying playing TS3 and I agree compared to Sims 4 it does seem rough, but more so the CAS and sims their selves are the issues to me although I LOVE the skin tone slider and having the color wheel back for items. I haven't had any issues with TS3 on my laptop and I have all of the expansion packs and 4 worlds I brought off the store, I do not have any of the stuff packs though.