Bust The Dust came with an On-Off switch - despite the fact that if you've bought the Dust, that's the ONLY thing about it.On the other hand, do you remember when people bought Vampires and then complained about the Vampires visiting them too often? Now, Vampires never leave Forgotten Hollow (except for Vlad), and Spellcasters never leave Glimmerbrook. Presumably they bought the games for the building material, and hey, there's great build and CAS items in both packs. But people who bought it for the gameplay were seriously shafted. Vampires and Spellcasters weren't merely nerfed in the game; their presence was practically removed. Because it is easier to satisfy builders than story-players.Somehow, that seems a little... the wrong way around? Shouldn't a game about life simulation be focused on satisfying the players than the builders?But EA never updates previous packs, apart from the occasional bug patch. So seeing Vampires and Spellcasters in clubs and gyms... feh. Good luck with that.Thoughts?

I don't have Vampires, so I can't really comment on that. But in my game, I do see spellcasters out and about, though you might not notice them if you don't already know they're magical peeps. But a couple of times I definitely noticed. Once my sim was at a karaoke bar and a really, really bad singer kept trying to use the machine again, so I used a cheat to break it (I was gonna fix it later). But a spellcaster autonomously cast repairio on it and ruined my plan. I'm not complaining, though; it was cool to see that happen, lol.Edit: Geez, I forgot to add that I agree about a toggle. As in I also wish they existed for occult life states.

In my play last night I had a visit from Lilith and a randomly created NPC vampire that I only knew was a vampire because she left by turning into a bat. Caleb was a good friend of the grandmother to the current generation.I also had an NPC sim join the household with a good friendship with Morgyn already in place, and she wasn't even a spellcaster or from Glimmerbrook.I've also run into the occasional Alien when they were glowing with emotion.So I don't find Vampires and Spellcasters all that invisible in my games, though I'd certainly like to see them more. So if adding toggles would let that happen, I'm all for it.I do have vague memories of reading somewhere that at one time they were concerned about too many toggles impacting game performance. Not to mention that each toggle added increases testing exponentially as they have to make sure the toggles don't interfere with each other in bad ways. And I'm not sure how easy it would be to go back and implement them, so hopefully, it's something they can do with Sims 5 whenever that comes.

"CelSims;c-17849198" wrote:"VeeDub;c-17849180" wrote:I don't have Vampires, so I can't really comment on that. But in my game, I do see spellcasters out and about, though you might not notice them if you don't already know they're magical peeps. But a couple of times I definitely noticed. Once my sim was at a karaoke bar and a really, really bad singer kept trying to use the machine again, so I used a cheat to break it (I was gonna fix it later). But a spellcaster autonomously cast repairio on it and ruined my plan. I'm not complaining, though; it was cool to see that happen, lol.Sadly you are mistaken unless you have created a club with cast spells as the activity. Spellcasters do not have the ability to autonomously cast anything outside of club settings and even then, they seem to only cast inferniate and scruberoo. I'm watching my magic club at the bar right now and my own sim is just spamming scruberoo on herself while the rest of the club talk and haven't performed a single spell D:.This is my spellcasters club as well! I was vastly disappointed by how boring their meetups turned to be since only my sim was casting spells while the others were just chatting. Was it always like that for you, or does it work sometimes? i am thinking the club system might be bugged.

Yes, a stronger presence should be felt. Vlad came into my flat and drank my plasma at night. It was frustrating. But, I own Vampires. And obviously my Sims don't want their plasma drunk. But I haven't seen any others.And Casters barely cast magic in their own world, except when duelling and teaching, let alone outside their world.Likewise, Mermaids. You never see Mermaids outside of Sulani- partly because there's no swimming, of course, but my point remains.I can appreciate on-off would take some time to program, but seeing as it would improve gameplay so much for so many... I mean, people act like Occult is a tiny niche, but it's not. In fact if the reception of Paranormal Stuff was anything to go by, Occult players are in the majority. Even if they don't play Occult all the time, that's why they buy the packs. To see its effects in the world.You could say even Paranormal Stuff's spookiness has an On-Off switch, since you can choose to have a Haunted House before you see its spooks, and you must choose to perform the Paranormal job.So Vampires, Spellcasters and Mermaids, and any future Occults like Fairies or Werewolves, don't they deserve On-Off? It shouldn't have to take up an entire Lot Trait like Ghosts do.

In the past game I would of said yes because the occults used to be thrown with other stuff that realism players want to, so I'd say for aliens and mermaids should have options to turn off in the sims 4 but vampires & spellcasters you have to buy a pack especially to get them, if someone hates occults why would they buy those packs in the first place ? but on the grand scale of things some people are going to buy those packs only for items so probably best to put a switch off button so they don't have to water it down, annoying the players that actually bought it for the gameplay lol, us occult players want aliens to abduct our sims, vampires breaking in to drink our sims plasma, spellcasters autonomously casting spells anywhere, mermaids swimming anywhere but this isn't happening we need toggles and those updated to be like this

Occults should have On-Off switches

EnkiSchmidt
Hero
4 years ago
On off switches are severly needed!

What's so hard to understand about players having several saves with different metaphysics? I'm not interested in nerfed, family save vampires, I want them 100% active in saves where they exist and I don't want to see another bat in saves where no vampires exist.

It wouldn't even have to be a switch, if pressing a button in the options menu is too believed to be too intimidating for the casual player. It could be something like an automated culling mechanism that auto-deletes a vampire the moment it spawns in the neighborhood. Place your vampire-b-gone on your lot or venue and it does its thing all across the active neighborhood.
NightwalkerArk
Seasoned Newcomer
4 years ago
I wouldn't mind some Occult 'toggle' options for each type. Then I would have been able to hide my spellcasters while letting my Vampires run amok. The choice of what kind of world my occults live in would be nice to have with these options.
"Simmingal;c-17849449" wrote:
i love my occults
but what they really should do is give us control over randomly generated sims and their endless spawning

like game should stop overriding whatever sims the player creates with randomized sims

its just that if ive deleted/cured all the occults from my game the game shouldnt spawn more of them and that should end whatever the occult issue is

And for the love of Simgod, this. Why they decided to flat out force randomly generated Sims on us, I do not know. Does the worlds *have* to be filled with people beyond those you create yourself + service NPC and those who run bars and other commercial stands? How many Sims do I have to create before you stop infuse my game with your random spam creations? Or you just won't?

At least include that as a choice/toggle too, the option to create random sims for those who want it. Same with the "we must have a number of clubs at all times" rule that Get Together came up with. You're helping me filling a town even when it isn't needed. An exception might be needed for all those visitable careers with colleagues.

This is a sandbox game *we* play, EA. Please let us create/decide the Simmers we want in our towns, random or not.
Sharooonia
4 years ago
I miss when vampires would break in my sims homes. It hasn't happened in my game for the longest time. :(
Pamtastic72
4 years ago
Ha ha ha ha ha! It cracks me up when people think toggles are going to solve anything.

They nerfed weather deaths pretty much entirely even though there was a toggle included with the pack to keep weather from affecting sims.
They nerfed aliens even though there was a toggle on the satellite dish to prevent abductions.
They nerfed vampires even though there were multiple in game toggles including garlic to prevent break-ins.
They nerfed Murphy bed deaths even though there was a toggle in the form of an upgrade to prevent those too.
They nerfed fame & reactions to celebrities even though there were toggles in game for those in the form of the celebrity disguise and the ability to turn fame off entirely. Now you’re global superstar hardly merits reactions from the common folk.

Toggles only work if people actually use them and the dollhouse crowd won’t. They prefer to simply have key pack features removed for their convenience and immersion, and anyone who specifically paid good money for those features can just go kick rocks.
atreya33
Seasoned Ace
4 years ago
"Pamtastic72;c-17849567" wrote:
Ha ha ha ha ha! It cracks me up when people think toggles are going to solve anything.

They nerfed weather deaths pretty much entirely even though there was a toggle included with the pack to keep weather from affecting sims.
They nerfed aliens even though there was a toggle on the satellite dish to prevent abductions.
They nerfed vampires even though there were multiple in game toggles including garlic to prevent break-ins.
They nerfed Murphy bed deaths even though there was a toggle in the form of an upgrade to prevent those too.
They nerfed fame & reactions to celebrities even though there were toggles in game for those in the form of the celebrity disguise and the ability to turn fame off entirely. Now you’re global superstar hardly merits reactions from the common folk.

Toggles only work if people actually use them and the dollhouse crowd won’t. They prefer to simply have key pack features removed for their convenience and immersion, and anyone who specifically paid good money for those features can just go kick rocks.

If this is true they could disable them by default and give those who are willing the option to turn occults on. They did this with whims after all.
JustMeAlb
Seasoned Newcomer
4 years ago
Can't believe EA missed a money grabbing opportunity, after releasing the Vampire pack they could have released a Gothic Build pack.

But seriously, someone buying a pack called Vampires then complaining about there being vampires?!
Sara1010p
Rising Rookie
4 years ago
A lot of the toggles they already have don't work for me personally because they provided us with all or nothing type toggles. For example the toggle for weather effects being turned off, I don't want my sims not to experience weather effects, but I also don't want them freezing to death during a blizzard because they don't have enough sense not to go jogging in it, and this did happen to me. So my choice with the toggles provided would have been either let them freeze to death or not experience any effects at all. That is not satisfactory in any sense. I had to get a mod to correct the issue. I still use it because even though it has been nerfed as some say, I still experience this issue without the mod in. Toggles only work as options when it isn't just on or off.
SEREFRAS
Seasoned Veteran
4 years ago
I would only want a turn off toggle if they put in those creepy Zombies.
I love the Vamps, Mermaids, Aliens & Spellcasters. I still want Fairies, Genies & Werewolves in Sims 4.
Pamtastic72
4 years ago
"Atreya33;c-17849579" wrote:
"Pamtastic72;c-17849567" wrote:
Ha ha ha ha ha! It cracks me up when people think toggles are going to solve anything.

They nerfed weather deaths pretty much entirely even though there was a toggle included with the pack to keep weather from affecting sims.
They nerfed aliens even though there was a toggle on the satellite dish to prevent abductions.
They nerfed vampires even though there were multiple in game toggles including garlic to prevent break-ins.
They nerfed Murphy bed deaths even though there was a toggle in the form of an upgrade to prevent those too.
They nerfed fame & reactions to celebrities even though there were toggles in game for those in the form of the celebrity disguise and the ability to turn fame off entirely. Now you’re global superstar hardly merits reactions from the common folk.

Toggles only work if people actually use them and the dollhouse crowd won’t. They prefer to simply have key pack features removed for their convenience and immersion, and anyone who specifically paid good money for those features can just go kick rocks.

If this is true they could disable them by default and give those who are willing the option to turn occults on. They did this with whims after all.

Except the people who complain the most, and the loudest don’t use the toggles provided. That’s my point. I made a whole list of stuff that has toggles and still got nerfed because the complainers literally didn’t want to use them. I don’t see how an on/off switch is any different. Weather effects on your sims has an on off switch. It got nerfed because people still complained, and some even stated they didn’t want to use the switch. The same thing happened two weeks ago with the Paranormal Stuff pack. Someone on Twitter was asking to have paranormal activity nerfed on the haunted house lot type because the hauntings were “too much”. Another user pointed out you can change the lot type and shut the activity off, and the other person literally said, they want to play the lot type just without all the activity. I mean, come on. So I just don’t see the point of the toggle/on-off switch.
MstyBL95
4 years ago
I'm someone who bought the pack for the build/buy stuff and not so much the vamps. And I delete all pre-made sims so I haven't ever seen Vlad, but I have seen the lady the game generated at my door. And I accidentally had one of my sims start dating a mermaid before I knew he was a mermaid. I generally don't like occult stuff and avoid it when I can, but so far, I think the occults mix in with the regular sims in the hood. I know there has been a couple of times where I give townies makeovers and find out they are an occult sim.

If I don't want something bad enough, I just get a mod. There are so many to disable the occults. I don't know why people complain and don't just get a mod. It's ridiculous.