In the last few weeks commentary on twitter and here has focused a lot on the bad skin colors (COLOR WHEEL would SOLVE this issue!!!!) and I totally agree. I've always hated the limited choices of skin colors and resorted to CC for better colors - BUT with that said the argument that there isn't enough hair choices (outside of again...color wheel!) kind of has me pause.Obviously CC hair has existed forever but more so there is a LOT of hair options of many diverse backgrounds represented if you buy various packs.So while the skin color is definitely an issue I'm glad Maxis is addressing - the request for more hair choices seems to be already fulfilled by packs?Yes I get that the choices in the base game are limited, but everything is limited in the base game and thats why we buy pack to flesh out the game. I don't think anybody likes the hair in the base game, its very...basic and limited to bland choices. But more choices exist if you buy a pack for whatever style or background your looking for.So its just me or does the hair request seems more like a request for free assets that already exist behind a paywall via packs, which lets face it, games are made to make money.Anyway the skin choices I totally agree with, I WOULD LOVE more or again...A COLOR WHEEL. Like why can PETS have a color wheel for fur but not sims?!The hair though...well don't we already have more options with packs?

I'm honestly confused about the whole skin color/hair color debacle that's been going on for awhile. I create Sims of all different races and personalities, and never once have I found the color selections lacking

"Nate_Whiplash1;c-17644972" wrote:I'm honestly confused about the whole skin color/hair color debacle that's been going on for awhile. I create Sims of all different races and personalities, and never once have I found the color selections lackingThe skin issue is more that half of them aren't great to begin with/look weird and the other half make your sims all look the same. I would reaaaally love for a color wheel though, to allow for different complexions mostly. The darker skin tones also look washed out and the off colors like green or purple are like...BRIGHT green or purple. They don't look very good on an orc or an alien. More than anything most people just stick to about 4 different specific colors and dont use the rest, which is an issue in itself because that means people don't identify with the other colors because frankly they look uncanny.Like for example the extreme white yellow skin tone - who uses that? Homer Simpson?

Hair is a valid request. Most black people have hair with a very curly texture. This type of hair isn't really available at all in the base game. The Sims 4 is supposed to be about diversity and inclusion (their words), so asking people to pay extra money for black sims to have regular black people hair is ridiculous. ETA: An imperfect analogy would be monolids. A lot of Asian people have monolids, instead of double eyelids. Even though many Asian people have double eyelids and those who weren't born with double eyelids can achieve the look by having surgery or using tape, it would be messed up if the Sims didn't have the option of making a Sim with monolids in the base game because that's a really normal Asian facial feature. Likewise, some black people are born with non-curly/kinky hair and others can achieve different styles through chemicals and hair products, but it would be messed up not to have regular kinky hair in the base game.

I am not a person of color, therefore I can’t sit here and say everything’s fine and dandy when most poc I know who play are tired of having to install CC or make do with ashy skin tones and bad hair. It’s true, darker skin tones are just so bad I don’t even use them, nearly none of the makeup looks good on them, it’s pretty crazy honestly that people have had to beg and make this big of a stink to get the devs attention, pretty sure people have been bringing this up since base game now. I also own every pack and can agree with a previous poster that the options for POC hair are pretty limited and asking for them is perfectly valid and I’m glad people are.There’s a lot of ridiculous stuff on these forums people complain about and ask for, A lot of really weird arguments, but asking for better cultural representation, skin tones that look decent, and more accurate hairstyles in a game that is supposed to be a representation of life is by far one of the most important imho. Everyone’s deserves to be able to make a Sim who looks like them without jumping through hoops.

"TOLKIEN;c-17644977" wrote:"Nate_Whiplash1;c-17644972" wrote:I'm honestly confused about the whole skin color/hair color debacle that's been going on for awhile. I create Sims of all different races and personalities, and never once have I found the color selections lackingThe skin issue is more that half of them aren't great to begin with/look weird and the other half make your sims all look the same. I would reaaaally love for a color wheel though, to allow for different complexions mostly. The darker skin tones also look washed out and the off colors like green or purple are like...BRIGHT green or purple. They don't look very good on an orc or an alien. More than anything most people just stick to about 4 different specific colors and dont use the rest, which is an issue in itself because that means people don't identify with the other colors because frankly they look uncanny.Like for example the extreme white yellow skin tone - who uses that? Homer Simpson?Not even Homer would use that skin. But yes I wouldn't mind yellow skin tones like Homer Simpsons too. I actually wouldn't mind alien/vampire skin tones to work for humanoid Sims too. I would like some hairs patched into the base game too. It would be nice to have an eye color update too. My dream would be to have a color wheel again for Sims. I enjoy it a lot for pets.

Regards hair "representation" - is it a valid request or fulfilled by packs?

29 Replies

NateWhiplash
Seasoned Ace
5 years ago
I'm honestly confused about the whole skin color/hair color debacle that's been going on for awhile. I create Sims of all different races and personalities, and never once have I found the color selections lacking
EntityofDesire
Seasoned Ace
5 years ago
"Nate_Whiplash1;c-17644972" wrote:
I'm honestly confused about the whole skin color/hair color debacle that's been going on for awhile. I create Sims of all different races and personalities, and never once have I found the color selections lacking

The skin issue is more that half of them aren't great to begin with/look weird and the other half make your sims all look the same. I would reaaaally love for a color wheel though, to allow for different complexions mostly. The darker skin tones also look washed out and the off colors like green or purple are like...BRIGHT green or purple. They don't look very good on an orc or an alien.

More than anything most people just stick to about 4 different specific colors and dont use the rest, which is an issue in itself because that means people don't identify with the other colors because frankly they look uncanny.

Like for example the extreme white yellow skin tone - who uses that? Homer Simpson?
HaneulFier
Seasoned Ace
5 years ago
Hair is a valid request. Most black people have hair with a very curly texture. This type of hair isn't really available at all in the base game. The Sims 4 is supposed to be about diversity and inclusion (their words), so asking people to pay extra money for black sims to have regular black people hair is ridiculous.

ETA: An imperfect analogy would be monolids. A lot of Asian people have monolids, instead of double eyelids. Even though many Asian people have double eyelids and those who weren't born with double eyelids can achieve the look by having surgery or using tape, it would be messed up if the Sims didn't have the option of making a Sim with monolids in the base game because that's a really normal Asian facial feature. Likewise, some black people are born with non-curly/kinky hair and others can achieve different styles through chemicals and hair products, but it would be messed up not to have regular kinky hair in the base game.
Hypno_Toad767
5 years ago
I am not a person of color, therefore I can’t sit here and say everything’s fine and dandy when most poc I know who play are tired of having to install CC or make do with ashy skin tones and bad hair. It’s true, darker skin tones are just so bad I don’t even use them, nearly none of the makeup looks good on them, it’s pretty crazy honestly that people have had to beg and make this big of a stink to get the devs attention, pretty sure people have been bringing this up since base game now. I also own every pack and can agree with a previous poster that the options for POC hair are pretty limited and asking for them is perfectly valid and I’m glad people are.

There’s a lot of ridiculous stuff on these forums people complain about and ask for, A lot of really weird arguments, but asking for better cultural representation, skin tones that look decent, and more accurate hairstyles in a game that is supposed to be a representation of life is by far one of the most important imho. Everyone’s deserves to be able to make a Sim who looks like them without jumping through hoops.
Scobren
Legend
5 years ago
"TOLKIEN;c-17644977" wrote:
"Nate_Whiplash1;c-17644972" wrote:
I'm honestly confused about the whole skin color/hair color debacle that's been going on for awhile. I create Sims of all different races and personalities, and never once have I found the color selections lacking

The skin issue is more that half of them aren't great to begin with/look weird and the other half make your sims all look the same. I would reaaaally love for a color wheel though, to allow for different complexions mostly. The darker skin tones also look washed out and the off colors like green or purple are like...BRIGHT green or purple. They don't look very good on an orc or an alien.

More than anything most people just stick to about 4 different specific colors and dont use the rest, which is an issue in itself because that means people don't identify with the other colors because frankly they look uncanny.

Like for example the extreme white yellow skin tone - who uses that? Homer Simpson?

Not even Homer would use that skin. But yes I wouldn't mind yellow skin tones like Homer Simpsons too.

I actually wouldn't mind alien/vampire skin tones to work for humanoid Sims too. I would like some hairs patched into the base game too. It would be nice to have an eye color update too. My dream would be to have a color wheel again for Sims. I enjoy it a lot for pets.
Chicklet45368
Seasoned Ace
5 years ago
The thing with trying to make nice looking and more stylish curlier hair is the fact that EA had decided to go with the lowest poly hair possible. If you look at the majority of the hair, shape wise, they are very simple and the details are just painted on. If they were to make truly soft, flowing springy curly hair they would need to make it much higher poly. (and probably use alpha textures to get those individual hair strands).

Hair is some of the highest poly items in any game if it's done right.

And quite honestly, I'm not sure EA could do it justice. Have you really looked at some of the hairs? That one short haired dreadlock one looks like they have caterpillars growing out of their heads!

The other issue people complain about is the lack of swatches for the hairs, the black is blue tinted, the red is over the top, one of the blondes is an ugly greenish platinum or a gold bar. I only use the brown hair for almost all of my personal sims.
NateWhiplash
Seasoned Ace
5 years ago
"Truecrime_addict;c-17645021" wrote:
Just like people can ask for better gameplay features , others are free to ask for better hairstyles and no packs dont solve this. i own every pack. The textured haistyles are in low supply. Let simmers demand whatever it is they feel they need in their games and you do the same :)

I never said they couldn't, I only said I didn't understand it.
oddRebelisaac13
5 years ago
I don’t believe we should have to buy packs to fulfill things that should be in the base game itself. I’m not a poc & it won’t affect my gameplay if I have more representation for poc or not but I believe everyone should feel represented in the sims game as long as it’s possible. If modders can do it what’s the gurus excuse? Same goes for gameplay depth. I shouldn’t have to buy packs to fulfill that need. Sims 2 , sims 3 had all of that in the base game itself. Sims 4 is the only one without real depth so far.
alanmichael1
Seasoned Ace
5 years ago
We need body hair for better representation of all human beings in the world.
EntityofDesire
Seasoned Ace
5 years ago
Well I mean we DO have to buy packs which to add things to the base game, like pets and seasons. They've always provided the base minimum and now that the games is like basically always on sale for $10 is it that hard to afford the pack you want?

Its not like you have to buy all of them, find what you want in your game and add it. I just think the same rule should apply to hairstyles too. They gave us very basic hair in the base game, just like everything else in it. We've always had to buy that extra content.