Edit: Yes, this post is dramatic and so was the original title, obviously the pack has some items for toddlers. My issue is simply that in my opinion a pack titled toddler stuff should include new variations of toddler beds, potties and high chairs and this post is just me voicing my disappointment that those items weren't included. Thats it, nothing more to it.This pack has confused me since it came out, for a pack centered around toddlers, you'd expect to see the standard toddler essentials. New toddler beds, new toddler potties, new high chairs, yknow the typical toddler stuff that you use all the time when playing with toddlers. Instead, none of these items are included in the pack and instead you get weird random rainbow park items. https://simsvip.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/The-Sims-4-Toddler-Stuff-Official-Trailer-0635.jpgThe main feature of the pack is a giant tunnel thing which is not very unusable unless you have a lot designed specifically for it, then theres the ball pool which was a decent item but some questionable design choices were made. Some of the clothes are cute, but honestly I don't really see them as an upgrade on what we already have and I forget they're there most the time. I just feel like you have to go out of your way to make a rainbow park for any of this stuff to be usable. The extent of the actual usable items for toddlers in this pack is one slide and that's it. (the cushions and fairy lights are cute aswell, but they're not really "toddler stuff")Don't get me wrong the rainbow park stuff is pretty but I just don't get it, since the pack is focused entirely on play date stuff the title should be "Play Date Stuff" instead as for me I would expect a pack called "Toddler Stuff" to include the items I mentioned. Again, this is just my opinion on the pack. I was disappointed when I purchased the pack and found that it didn't bring any new beds and high chairs which are what I expected it to include from the title.

I would have like more beds that aren't themed. Just normal, but in different styles. Also, don't know why toddlers can't sleep in normal beds, single or double. They can climb on a sofa, why not on a bed? Also, would have liked to see tricycles and those spring rides we had in TS3.

I love this pack. I love the toddler play parks that I can downlod from the gallery (I'm not a builder myself). I use the slide to build movement skill fast and it's not too big to place on home lot. I also love the clothes, they're adorable.I don't need more toddler beds or high chairs, I just use whatever we have. I'm more interested on items that give toddlers something to do. I would love to have more play items for them. :)

I think there would have been a ton of complaints if this pack just had reskins of what we already have. Potties, high chairs, beds... People always want something new. Look at the backlash Eco living got just for re-using animations even though the pack has plenty of content. I like the toddler stuff in this pack. Gives the toddies something new to do.

There was such a dire need for more toddler clothing at the time and this pack helped deliver on that.I do like the stuff I can put into a park. Gives me a reason for my sim to take my sim to take toddlers off to a park.. Having things like swings now as well along with interactive sand for children and toddlers to play with feels like I can make better parks for younger sims to enjoy. Makes for some nice family outings just wanting to grill out and kids having something to do at them. :p Yeah, would have liked to see some new toddler beds, but I was pretty happy with the pack. I just love the little slide for them good to put in their bedrooms or just the backyard. <3

I used the stuff in this pack with the Dine out pack to make fenced play areas for the toddlers to play in whilst mum and dad have a meal inside!

Toddler Stuff has no toddler beds, potties, high chairs, etc?

karon_shiruba
5 years ago
I like that this pack has those toddler park toys, you know?! Its something we never had in SIms 1/2/3, and we already had potty, high chairs, toddler beds, etc... Why not invest on making something new?! They always add a new toddler bed every ep as well... I want more potty and high chairs, but I also want a lot of things I never had before in any SIms game.
Y'all just want to complain.
SimmerGeorge
5 years ago
@Karon 'cause you know it's toddler stuff. Stuff for toddlers, what do toddlers use? Well high chairs, toddler beds etc.

I mean the play/toy/imagination aspect is important as well but so is the everyday toddler life and we could use some new stuff for that.
The pack they delivered has only like 20 toddler items and all of it is either decor or outdoor activities. You paid 10 dollars for a toddler pack!

The pack feels more like "The Sims 4 outdoor toddler playground" than actual "toddler stuff"
LadyKyn
New Traveler
5 years ago
"SimmerGeorge;c-17551958" wrote:

@IceyJ First of all The Sims 4 is a high selling EA game with, EA should provide them with enough resources to make packs that feel full.
Secondly, do you know what you get in other games for whole 10 dollars?

Can't really compare other games to whatever DLC you get for $10 as they'll all vary and everyone will have their opinion on the value.

Kinda like just buying skins or extra characters. I remember buying DLC for Injustice for 14.99 for skins and extra characters when I wasn't gonna use maybe two characters out of the bunch and that's about it with a few extra missions.

Really just depends if you get that long term use out of what you bought and the value was good for you.
karon_shiruba
5 years ago
"SimmerGeorge;c-17551975" wrote:
@Karon 'cause you know it's toddler stuff. Stuff for toddlers, what do toddlers use? Well high chairs, toddler beds etc.

I mean the play/toy/imagination aspect is important as well but so is the everyday toddler life and we could use some new stuff for that.
The pack they delivered has only like 20 toddler items and all of it is either decor or outdoor activities. You paid 10 dollars for a toddler pack!

The pack feels more like "The Sims 4 outdoor toddler playground" than actual "toddler stuff"

@simmergeorge I'm not sure where you were when the pack was released, but they had jsut add a bunch of basic/regular toddler items for free in the game. Would make no sense, and be quite boring if they added the exact same stuff in a payed DLC just a couple of days later. Why would I want to buy something I got for free?!

@LadyKyn yes. Most games don't have the amount of objects Sims has, usually they are just fake objects built in the enviroment that have no use, and when used its on pre-animated cutscenes. In SIms 4 they have to animate a bunch of objects, make sure they aren't glitching, etc...

I'm not the type to be defending EA, but sometimes y'all jsut seem so picky. Thats why the devs don't take us seriously, there's no focus in this community. We have to complain about stuff that actually hurts us. The pack had great ideas, but the problem isn't tied ot THIS pack. Its something revolving around all stuff packs, the amoutn of objects/CAS items was always a problem in SIms 4. BUT, they seem to have heard us, Nifty Knitting will come with a BUNCH of new objects, CAS items AND gameplay features. Why complai about a pack htat has been released a LONG time ago? They won't go back in time to change it.
SimmerGeorge
5 years ago
@Karon yeah you have your base game stuff and if you want additional toddler stuff you go grab a pack. That's how it works. For a pack that is supposed to focus on toddlers it has very little stuff for them, most of it is outdoor playtime stuff.
I don't know in what other way I can express that for you to understand. I really don't.
karon_shiruba
5 years ago
@SimmerGeorge yes, I do think people would've bought it even if it was called Playtime blah blah blah stuff.
janyses
Seasoned Spectator
5 years ago
"SimmerGeorge;c-17551958" wrote:
"IceyJ;c-17551743" wrote:

Not necessarily. All packs have a budget. If the budget focuses on one area, another area of the pack will suffer.

@IceyJ First of all The Sims 4 is a high selling EA game with, EA should provide them with enough resources to make packs that feel full.
Secondly, do you know what you get in other games for whole 10 dollars?

Feels full to me. Yes, I've purchased $10 dlc in other games. Doesn't compare, imo. I don't get nearly as much satisfaction or gameplay time from the other games.

"SimmerGeorge;c-17551999" wrote:
@Karon yeah you have your base game stuff and if you want additional toddler stuff you go grab a pack. That's how it works. For a pack that is supposed to focus on toddlers it has very little stuff for them, most of it is outdoor playtime stuff.
I don't know in what other way I can express that for you to understand. I really don't.

I think the problem is, you're scrutinizing this pack for what it offers now. Yes, toddlers could use more basic things. But when this pack was released, there was no need for more basic things. That's why the outdoor objects were well received and I don't recall many complaints, or anyone asking for more basic stuff.

"Karon;c-17552406" wrote:
@SimmerGeorge yes, I do think people would've bought it even if it was called Playtime blah blah blah stuff.

Yep.
Onverser
5 years ago
"Karon;c-17551966" wrote:
I like that this pack has those toddler park toys, you know?! Its something we never had in SIms 1/2/3, and we already had potty, high chairs, toddler beds, etc... Why not invest on making something new?! They always add a new toddler bed every ep as well... I want more potty and high chairs, but I also want a lot of things I never had before in any SIms game.
Y'all just want to complain.

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't Eco Lifestyle the only pack thats included a toddler bed? Other than that there's only the few options that came with the base game toddler update and that's it. I'm not a huge fan of the existing ones and would've liked more options, which is half the reason for buying a toddler stuff pack. :) I think it's perfectly reasonable to be disappointed when a pack titled "toddler stuff" doesn't have new versions of toddler stuff. I guess it's more of a title-ing issue - it should've been called "Play Date Stuff" or something along those lines rather than toddler stuff
CelesteBabyy
5 years ago
But it does have stuff for toddlers. Just not the stuff you expected. It includes play stuff and CAS items for toddlers a.k.a. stuff for toddlers. Stuff is a vague term. It could mean anything.
simmyfroggy
5 years ago
The ball pit complaints weren't because the idea of a ball pit was bad. They were because the graphics of it were abysmal (they've been fixed a bit since though still not all that well).

And yes, looking back at the pack *now*, it doesn't have basic toddler items. But at release, it added gameplay for toddlers that wasn't already in the game. Had it been mostly toddler beds, bookshelves, potties, high chairs, there would've been a MFPS level uproar of "why wasn't this in the BG update?". The timing of a release does matter.

What I think is a bigger problem is that toddler (and baby) items have been notoriously absent in packs released since then. As others pointed out, EL is the first pack to have a new toddler bed, we still only have the same base game beds and potties and high chairs. There absolutely should have been those items in GF, C&D, IL and maybe even DU, as well as game packs.

Should the pack have been called Playtime? Sure, why not. I believe it would've sold the same as it does now because what it does is offer new things for toddlers to do - outdoor play, ability to add toddler activities to community lots, playdate events.
Technically, everything in every game (not just Sims) could be more or better. With TS4, the devs mostly just need to stop forgetting about toddler build/buy.