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MoNosDirtyGamin's avatar
MoNosDirtyGamin
6 years ago

Why some legends are picked more than others & Legend Buff Ideas

Simplistically, this is down to their ability to escape. 

Wraith - can phase walk to relocate AND relocate the entire team (VERY HELPFUL in ranked)

Pathfinder - Grapple

Bangalore - Speed boost when shot at

Caustic - Delays the enemy which is like escaping

I think for future legends (So after the creation of the season 6 legend) Respawn should look at the ability to escape effectively for a new legend if they wish for different legends to have a higher pick rate. I say this because, of all the new characters, every single one is situational. The Original legends were all solid picks at the start but now that we have different legends, some design improvements need to be made. 

I think adding a new passive for all legends would help improve the pickrate, because lets be real here, we haven't really had much legend changes have we. 

For lifeline I would suggest: 

- A cooldown on her revive ability activation time after reviving twice

- A buff allowing her to use her healing drone to reinforce doors by giving it a passive shield, making it so it takes a further 2 kicks to destroy (it would stay like this until lifeline activates her healing drone), this would also mean that lifeline is unable to heal or revive with her drone. To effectively counter this, all explosive ordnance would remain the same, so a fire canister would still destroy a door as quick as it did before. 

For Gibraltar:

- His hand shield is replaced with a deployable floor shield (So like a riot shield but it digs into the floor when activated), which is removed after 20 seconds, it is just big enough to allow him to take cover behind, he is unable to adjust it. A balance for this would be a yellow weakness spot around the side of the shield which could be shot at to instantly remove the deployed shield, again explosive ordnance would effectively eliminate it. The cooldown would be around 45 seconds also. 

Bloodhound: 

- Can place fake blood tracks to fool other bloodhounds into an awaiting ambush, there would be no way to tell a difference between these tracks, this would be a buff as well as a nerf. 

Pathfinder: 

- A new passive which grants him the ability to grapple one teammate ONLY up to where he is using an adjustable arm. 

Octane:

- A passive which grants him the ability to double jump by double tapping X 

Revanant: 

- Can climb faster with no slowdown

Crypto: 

- A new passive allowing him to sit on his drone and use it for 8 seconds, this would be very useful for adjusting his position, while he is sat on his drone it would take a reduced amount of shots to destroy as a small red dot between where crypto is sitting, and hitting 1 shot here instantly destroys crypto's drone and crypto falls from the position it was destroyed at, with a tiny movement speed for 2 seconds, 

Loba:

- A passive shield is granted to her for 3 seconds which gives her 30 more HP when activating her tactical. 

Wattson:

- Her pylons do more damage to an enemy, if the entire team are stood in or shocked by her pylons then the entire teams shields are instantly cracked regardless of how much shields they have. This would also give much needed time to heal.

I have purposely left caustic, wraith and mirage off this list because I feel they are in a really good position atm. I would more than welcome feedback from others. Please let me know what you think of the ideas, are they too OP? Why? How would you balance things out? What would you add?

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19 Replies

  • StarMystro's avatar
    StarMystro
    6 years ago

    I actually really liked the idea of the "fake tracks" for Bloodhound. It would be really situational and add another layer of "activity" for Bloodhound though, but nevertheless, it makes me think of the possibilities. 

    Getting back to the main topic though, of certain Legends getting picked more frequently. It seems awfully true at times; Certain Legends are more common in each team, but perhaps this is also the cause of a false sense of "superiority" among "some" players?

    For instance, perhaps players view a "famous" player who picks a certain character (or simply another player in their match that plays really good). Players may get the sense as though that a character/Legend was picked by a really good player because of their advantages over the other Legends. And maybe they're not wrong to a degree; Certain Legends may really lean towards certain playstyles that those really good players like to showcase. 

    BUT. This doesn't mean we can't be just as successful with other Legends. I'm sure we've all seen clips or been in matches with or against players who are really good with Legends that are less popular. 

    The ability to escape for each Legend is a little relative, but I DO see your point! -Don't get me wrong. But how much of an escape does a Legend need? Teammates should typically be close enough to provide cover fire- to detract an aggressor. Or unless they're playing Octane... he's straight up reckless!! (But that's just his style)

  • SERPENT_DESCEND's avatar
    SERPENT_DESCEND
    Seasoned Ace
    6 years ago
    @MoNosDirtyGaming
    Your suggestion for Gibraltar is (Spoiler) already given to an upcoming legend. Bloodhound change isn't needed at all it would only makes him a counter to himself, The ability to find tracks isn't big to begin with and making it less dependable would make it almost useless. Crypto suggestion is weird. Loba change doesn't hit right. She is not an overshiled expert and that ability would be abused to give her more HP in fights. Wattson doesn't need a buff she is already very good and almost a must in every squad in tournaments.
  • SERPENT_DESCEND's avatar
    SERPENT_DESCEND
    Seasoned Ace
    6 years ago
    @MoNosDirtyGaming
    I think a good lifeline buff would be a buff to blue supply bins spawn rate and items rarity. BH, Octane, Revenant and Crypto need big changes. There are already leaks about all characters having a class bonus perks, Basically tracking characters would be able to use survey beacons and their scanned enemies receive additional damage. Supportive characters would be able to use blue bins (LL can already do that). Offensive characters can carry more throwables. And defensive characters revive teammates with additional shield, All of these changes are great changes but some legends would need more than that.
  • MoNosDirtyGamin's avatar
    MoNosDirtyGamin
    6 years ago
    @StarMystro I'm glad you see my point too, I also see yours. I think in a perfect apex match, yes players would be the backbone of you pushing, but lets face it. With a pre-made squad when you're queuing up solo they're mostly useless aren't they? Either get knocked or disconnect instantly. If every player had more of an "escape" feature so they could fall back temporarily to heal up, unless in an intense gunfight where a legend like gibraltar would be very advantageous, then maybe we would see other legends being picked more.
  • MoNosDirtyGamin's avatar
    MoNosDirtyGamin
    6 years ago
    @SERPENT_DESCEND

    Bloodhound is fun to use and adding this ability makes the match more interesting.

    I don't see how the idea for loba could be abused, it takes at least a second to even be able to toggle the animation/activate it, then you're stuck in another animation for a further 1 second, then in the third second you're trying to re-draw your gun. ALL while being shot at by an enemy. It won't be abused like you think it would. Also she doesn't have to be an overshield expert, i'm sure if her bracelet gave her the ability to teleport over a distance it could also give her a tiny bubble shield for a pitiful 3 seconds.

    Crypto's suggestion is weird? Hes a drone expert, being able to get on his drown for a few seconds would be a game changer for him and increase his pickrate instantly.

    Every single suggestion above was given around the idea of legends having a passive way to escape. I also believe you're missing the bigger picture, we already have Lifeline being able to use blue supply bins for extra loot, if they buff it then cool, but giving other legends the same abilities is not a buff, it is a nerf as a whole to the game.

    You also need to get rid of the "They're fine how they are" mentality. For a game to evolve it needs ideas. YES they may be fine now but in the future they would need buffing as more legends are released. Having a whole range of ideas would help immensely.
  • StarMystro's avatar
    StarMystro
    6 years ago

    Ah your statement about random teammates, "...they're mostly useless aren't they? Either [they] get knocked or disconnect instantly." There are plenty of those times where my teammates simply don't have the same coordination and may get caught in "bad spots"- perhaps following a maneuver that the rest of the team missed. Thus more escape would deem useful.

    (Perhaps not so related to the topic but-) Many times for myself; (I play exclusively by myself- no pre-made teammates) these random teammates who're "not-so-coordinated" Or have the mobility to compensate for positioning mistakes, can actually offer great counter-attacks and even a full-reversal in a fight! It takes careful planning to think "where do I want to be in connection to my foe or unknown foe (an enemy not yet discovered in the field)? Perhaps it's partly the responsibility of the player to recognize their limitations- speaking of mobility- and compensate.

  • MoNosDirtyGamin's avatar
    MoNosDirtyGamin
    6 years ago
    @SERPENT_DESCEND The entire point of this post was to explain that the highest pick rate of legends was most likely due to them being able to ESCAPE. There's clear connotations here which you fail to somehow grasp. Backing off and healing and getting back to the fight is a very important part of the entire game, it's not just a "Tiny part".
  • MoNosDirtyGamin's avatar
    MoNosDirtyGamin
    6 years ago
    @StarMystro Of course that doesn't imply to all random teammates as some are good, but others? Landing, getting dropped and insta-disconnecting? That's the dictionary definition of a garbage player with 0 teamwork skills in his bones.
  • Sir_Named's avatar
    Sir_Named
    6 years ago
    @MoNosDirtyGaming Well for some, yes.
    For others, they don’t have escape abilities. Like Gibby, whose tanking abilities are high enough that people pick him for that.
    Or Wattson, (although it’s only in high tier). She has very little to help her escape a dangerous situation, yet pros pick her a lot.

    For low tier/casual play, you’re mostly right, since people like playing fun, speedy legends.

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