5 years ago

Why the R99 made sense in its TTK in S1 and the game felt fluid + Season 5

When season 1 started the game was a blast, it was a new BR, amazing visuals, amazing scenery, we were introduced to a new pinging system, the guns felt amazing, the characters powers were amazing, ultimates were spot on, every single fight felt crazy fun, and the R99.. well this gun some people liked it and some people hated it, even though the gun's ttk was soo quick, you HAD TO hit every single shot to down someone, there was a little bit of lee-way because the clip was bigger than it is now, so it was acceptable to miss a few shots. However, now we're in season 4, almost 5, guns like the peacekeeper DO indeed need to be nerfed, I understand it is a shotgun, but 2 shots and you're dead? I mean come on. It takes 0 skill to use, it can reload and down faster than half the guns in the game, if anything this gun's reload speed needs to be drastically reduced, or at the very least reduced so the max it can hit is for 80, no more no less. Now onto the havoc, yes this gun is getting nerfed (FINALLY), but for future reference I don't think any gun should kill you without a lot of bullets having to hit you, this gun literally shreds you in less than 3 hits. I don't understand how it made it through the testing phase. At least with the R99 you had to hit most of your targets in that short space of time, if you didn't you was literally dead. So that made sense because it was a high risk/high reward, but hackers (i'm talking to you mr aimbot/turbo controller players) ruined the gun and its place in the game, the gun feels amazing in its current spot at the moment, but it didn't at the start, because a lot of the other guns were off balance.

I can however, say that I am VERY EXCITED for season 5, a new SMG entering the game, a new pistol, the new quests/challenges, more skins, hopefully a better season pass. I also hope that this new "Hunts" thing added to the game is like a PVE mode, and it is separate from the base game, if it feels anything like call of duty ghosts "extinction" mode, then the developers at respawn would have instantly increased its revenue by a good few million without question. I can say that I was sad that the extinction mode was removed from the call of duty franchise because I know a lot of other players did enjoy playing them, even though there were just a few of them to play, they had bosses and different enemy types, I am also guessing that the devs have seen/played extinction (since it released years ago). I saw in the trailer that there ARE turrets, and I am happy that it works along with the base BR mode that we currently have, I hope respawn continue to add it to the base game after season 5 is done and make the content replayable with another way to play the game/rank up/get unique content, I also hope that the XP per kill is only worth 1/4th - 1/10thof the XP gained from killing a player in BR mode, else this would stop players playing BR as much, as they would just farm the other mode, but non-the-less I am very happy to see some fresh new content added to the game.

Thank you for reading, if anyone else has anything they wish to add, please comment below, i'm sure the devs would like to see some nice features/ideas from the community.

gameplay discussion

23 Replies

heme725
5 years ago
@MoNosDirtyGaming I'm glad you're looking forward to the next season but what you said about the R99 was just disgusting. It was a low risk/high reward gun with the fastest TTK in the game.
The havoc isn't a problem on consoles but I often forget how accurate PC players can be. Hopefully they make the recoil more unstable so that it can't laser people from a distance but it should maintain the high DPS.
MoNosDirtyGamin
5 years ago
@heme725 Have you seen the trailer for Season 5? It looks really good, I can only hope we all get a bunch of new content.
I used to shred and get shredded by the R99, I never minded it.

I play on console, the damage on the Havoc is a joke. It is a big problem, next to 0 recoil (since the pattern is easy to master) and if you hipfire it you always kill your opponent unless you're bad at the game. Can't tell you how many times I've had 14+ kills just to die to the last team cause 1 person had a havoc and couldn't aim for the life of him but could run up to my face and hipfire. I do not think the Havoc should retain its hdps, it is the strongest gun on the game, with 0 skill to use. It is getting nerfed in S5 though.
heme725
5 years ago
@MoNosDirtyGaming I haven't seen the trailer but I feel like I have to now. You've honestly got me a little pumped for Season 5.
Perhaps I just haven't fought skilled enough opponents then. The highest I've climbed has been Plat 1 and refused to move on to Diamond for stupid reasons. At Platinum on consoles nobody can use the havoc at mid-range. If its in an open field I'll often side step around havoc shots. If I'm trapped in a room with a havoc user then I"ll typically die unless I have a wingman but open field? No chance. The R-99 and R-301 have zero problems dropping me at mid-range so they felt like easier guns to me.
There's also nothing a havoc user can do if you have any cover to step behind.
If they do nerf the Havoc's damage then it'll just become the mozambique in my eyes. I'm not taking a gun that has average damage and a slow charge up time. What reason would anyone have to pick it over the alternator or hemlock at that point? Or did your vision of a havoc nerf give the gun any sort of purpose?
MoNosDirtyGamin
5 years ago
@heme725 Right now at close range the havoc/r99 are the best 2 guns to use. Havoc takes 0 skill to use, its actually annoying af and I hate going up against players who use that trash gun, nothing you can do against thjem because they always rush you when its a 2v1
heme725
5 years ago
@MoNosDirtyGaming It seems that we just won't agree on these points. Personally I find that neither the R99 or havoc take that much skill to use at close range. The havoc is easier due to the larger mag size and higher damage and the R99 is slightly trickier to use in that area between mid-range and close range. At the edge of where hipfire starts to be inconsistent.
The drawback of the charge up time often means I won't use a havoc past mid game (unless I'm using Gibraltar) while the R99 is a top gun at any stage for any character (except for Gibraltar debateably.)
The gun's main advantage is its insane damage but without it the havoc is trash. If you want to nerf it then you'd have to give it an advantage somewhere else.
LordloshBang
5 years ago
While i totally don`t agree with the OP, i kinda don`t agree with you on some points.
Actually to be good with R99, you need skills, you need to learn the recoil pattern and actually need to know what you are doing. But R99 is in perfect shape right now and its perfectly balanced.
MoNosDirtyGamin
5 years ago
@LordloshBang That is EXACTLY my point. I'm saying a gun like the havoc which downs you in 3 hits from any distance should NOT be a thing. The R99 was balanced because you had to hit most of your shots, now you have to hit all of your shots, and reload and then shoot, in the space of that time a havoc has already dropped you without even finishing half of the first clip. Changes in the future should NOT be like that.
MoNosDirtyGamin
5 years ago
@heme725 I guess so, the havoc is getting nerfed next season though, my issue is that it downs you in 3 hits, it should be like the r99 where it takes MORE than 3 hits to down you, THIS is why it's OP, not the TTK.

If you used the R99 against me and I dodged lets just say, 50% of your shots just for the sake of proving a point, and you shot me for 10 bullets, and then downed you with a havoc using 3 bullets, you would understand the reason as to why the gun is OP as hell and should never have made it through the testing phase with the buff.
SpaceHamster199
5 years ago
@MoNosDirtyGaming Lol "pattern is easy to master". Not trying to dog on you, it's just that its pattern consists of slightly holding down..The rest is variable weapon sway that can be reduced by a stock or by slightly compensating for it. The gun is busted, mostly because none of the movement options like crouch spamming, cut strafing work on it. No cover to work around its charge up time and your dead. So glad it's getting nerfed.
Sir_Named
5 years ago
@MoNosDirtyGaming The havoc definitely cannot down you in 3 hits.
Also, if you have a situation where an R-99 and a havoc user both start firing at each other at the same time, neither misses, then the R-99 will win because of the charge up time. Obviously an ideal situation like this won't happen, but if you ambush the havoc then you'll win.

It's getting that nerf tho, so oh well.