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@hayhor I said 2-3 days because 1 month is simply impossible lol. Streaming is their job and their main audience is there for Apex. But for example, not playing during weekends when (theoretically) there's usually the peak of views would be a good message to EA. They could keep that on going for several months until someone at Respawn/EA contacts them. But you know, we're talking about something really utopian here lol.
Obviously Hideout is not going to give ALL streamers the power to ban.
The streamers will have to apply, sign agreement, get some coaching how to do it the "RIGHT" way then he will selected trusted streamers only such as :
A. North America
- NRG: Sweetdream
- TSM: ImperialHal, Reps, Snipdown
- ShivFPS, FunFPS, Acue, Nokopuffs, Eurice, gdolphn
B. Europe
- SZ: Tainsheen, Mande
- Alliance: Haskin.
- MaTaFe
They can start with very few streamers across multiple region then see how it goes. If the program succesfull, they can expand to more.
@Sati_Sati Yes, Mande created this video to show how frustated rank right now, it's un-playable:
It affects a lot of master/predators mental health.
I loved Apex Legends. I used to play it every day for about 4-6 hours. I mean every * day.
My brothers also played. There were 4 of us, so we always had a full group + 1 to spare in case one of us was busy.
We all quit. Every single one of us. It's been about a year now. Do you know why we quit?
Hackers are why we quit. We got tired of constantly being on the cusp of winning, only to be shot through a wall, or headshot multiple times at extreme ranges, or have someone be able to duck and weave at inhuman speed to dodge while at the same time having pinpoint accuracy.
I predicted this hacker hell would never get better. So we quit. And I've never regretted it.
A year later? The problems have grown - and I know I saved myself and my family tons of wasted time and frustration by convincing them to move on. I wish I didn't have to do that.
Video games are like sports. If someone cheats in baseball or football or wrestling or boxing, they are banned and fined and shamed. On this forum, you can't even mention a name of a blatant cheater without being threatened by the admins. Yet games like Rainbow Six Siege announce bans on every active game at the time of the banning. Do you notice the two starkly different philosophies here?
Apex put all the responsibility on one dude, Hideouts, and expect that to work somehow. The issue is that EA doesn't want to spend money on a free to play game. They don't care about the player. They care about the bottom line. Even if everyone quit now, they've already made their billions. The financial incentive isn't there.
* EA. Quit the game, move on to a game developer that cares. If everyone gave as much money to Hell Let Loose or Rising Storm: Vietnam or Rainbow Six Siege, you'd have a hacker-free community that appreciates fairness and is way more balanced and team-oriented. But no, the real quality developers loses to Wal-Mart - style huge game companies like EA that don't give a * about us. They lie to us. Promise innovative new anti-cheats and hiring a team of people to stop cheating, while driving around in Lexus' on our dime. Because we liked that new skin for our favorite character.
I loved Apex, but the cheaters - and more importantly, the response (read: the lack of response) - broke me down. You lost 4 players, and we all spent like $200 on the game in cosmetics. I wish I could have that money back.
Sorry guys, I truly wish Apex Legends had all the cheaters removed. I'd be back in a heartbeat. But no, it is finished.- @Jinnobi So what game did you and your friends move to? My and I are always looking for other games to play other than Apex. 🙂
@Cheese9Man We play Vermintide 2, we play Rainbow Six Siege, we play Hell Let Loose. Those are the shooters. Funny how there are no cheaters in those games. (We also played Rising Storm: Vietnam until Tripwire dropped support, which was sad. I am looking forward to '83 thought.)
We play Total War: Warhammer 2, Divinity 2: Original Sin, we play Crusader Kings 3, we play WoW, we play Dota 2, we play Wasteland 3. No cheaters, of course.
I play AC: Valhalla and Chivalry 2, no cheaters.
I also play Monster Hunter: Rise and Civ 6.
As you can see, I play a lot of games across platforms. I loved Apex Legends, I think it was in my top 5 games. It was Witcher 3: Wild Hunt -level. But cheaters will destroy communities.
EDIT: oh and I play Pokemon Shield :3 still no cheaters though- @Jinnobi The thing is, a developer has to give a * about cheaters in order to stop them, because stopping cheating costs money. Especially in a shooter.
But it pays for itself many times over.
A game like Apex Legends should have AT LEAST two anti-cheat programs running at the same time, plus a 15-20 man team that actively monitors cheating for a year or so. Once cheating is reduced, they can cut back on the human monitoring and let the anti-cheat programs carry the bulk of the weight.
Look at Rainbow Six Siege. It doesn't have a hacker problem, because every single day you see a CONSTANT stream of announcements saying "X was banned for *insert reason here*" and that shows everyone playing, at all hours, at all levels of skill, that cheating will not be tolerated. You will get hardware banned. There is no mercy. There shouldn't be.
RS: Siege is a * esport. Apex will never be, because they treat cheaters like honored guests. - @asukojo Streamers as anti cheat authority is a pretty bad idea. Not only that they are strongly biased, but they also don't have enough available time to do proper police work (as it means sacrificing the majority of their play time), they lack developer knowledge (tools, methods, coding, etiquette, etc.) and they are vulnerable (a lot of them had their accounts hacked, their connection killed, etc.). It would be pretty easy to have anti cheat stuff fall into the hands of hackers with all these insecure points.
The fight against DoS and DDoS did not start with Apex, it's been going on for decades. Respawn had this fight going on since Titanfall and there are rumors it might be some of their former colleagues that exposed some vulnerabilities or vital info, probably regarding their engine.
Also, these type of attacks aren't that easy to spot. Thousands of players connecting at the same moment can resemble an attack, so if they make the system more sensitive, it would result in a lot of players not being able to play during peak times. Another things about these attacks is that they don't always need to be targeted at the game's servers to do damage. AWS is dealing with some of the biggest attacks pretty often. Ive had this argument in other forums regarding other games.
ive been told to report to PUBG shield, hideouts in apex..............
Does anyone see the insanity of this?
The onus of anti cheat slips away from the developer into the public domain (often free work).
The devs must laugh all the way to the bank..... Its THEIR game, cheating is THEIR problem, its not my problem to have to waste time recording cheats, going through the effort of sending it.
This is a globally systemic problem and its certainly NOT down to individual players, streamers or content creators to fix or even help reduce.
I wonder how much investment EA has in pushing out constant new content for you to fill their coffers up with compared to something that ACTUALLY urgently needs addressing like cheating.........
You know what, forget it, keep buying new skins to dress up your dollies, EA needs your money people!
- @Jinnobi None of those games are free to play. Obviously, a pay to play game is going to have far less cheaters than a f2p one because you only have to ban people a couple times max.
So you're basically saying that the free to play model is unsustainable for online pvp. I have no idea how cheat detection works in these games, but I highly doubt it's as easy as people think to HWID ban hundreds or thousands of cheaters every month without also sweeping up other players, especially when the cheaters can turn on a VPN and be like "my dad is going to tell you that my computer was hacked from Asia, I promise, here's his phone number and you can ask him."
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