Re: Evan Nikolich's opinion on Rank

@Gabrielmojo26 

Thx for the link, it was a good read.

yes @pandareno1999 @it looks like a lot of nothing at first but as you can see there is acknowledgment that mm and ranked needs to be further adjusted and we can already see they are doing that. I mean who would have thought that they would make an adjustment to ranked during the middle of a season. That they have done so, in a small way, shows how important it is. We will see further adjustments at the beginning of S14 as well.

@Asmodeus566 if this small mid season adjustment does not attract players back to ranked, then it will be a big adjustment for the start of S14. They have already shot themselves in the foot and lost loads of players from ranked, it will be a much more difficult thing to attract them back after stopping. Small isn't the word you want to be hearing really.

Imo to get back to S12 player numbers (if they are lucky) they will have to swollow their dev pride and put the points back to S12 for up to and including diamond.

And perhaps include opinion from more than the top 1% of players in their decision making process. They need to engage with the majority of the player base with more than a short questionnaire asking "did you enjoy the game you just played" yes no.... That gives no real input. 

@OldTreeCreeper 

Like i said we will see additional adjustments to ranked come the beginning of S14 however I do not think they need to rollback to S12 in any real shape way or form.

I agree that more than the top 1% should have input value but there are so many players at all levels that can not think beyond themselves or have no real input value that it makes this hard on the devs. 

maybe they should look at the boards and see who posts what to get a feel for their value and ask those people for input. CM’s need to push this forward to highlight those that are fighting for the betterment of this game for all the players and EA/Respawn.

@Gabrielmojo26 

I believe they do. However I also believe that due to how they see things and treat the Streamers/Pros and their hangerons that they are active on twitter etc and not on here. For an EA game you would think that their EA home forum would get some attention from the Devs, and I can see wher many here feel we in this community are neglected by them or just dismissed as not nearly as important as twitch. We have some pretty good CM’s and all but maybe EA Dev’s can pop in once in a while on their EA platform and chat with us.

@EA_David what are your thoughts about this? Could you share @Gabrielmojo26 ‘s and my thoughts on this up the chain so to speak?

@hayhor 

I am glad you saw it coming. I hoped it would. I also hope it is not to little to late. I do think the direction is right with ranked just needs a scale back.

@hayhor ditto. Plus the goodwill that leads directly to in game purchases will have dipped and may do so even more. Perhaps significantly enough where that it alone will prompt more than a small adjustment!

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@Gabrielmojo26 wrote:
@Asmodeus566Sometimes I wonder if the devs even know about this forum lol. They always flock to reddit and Twitter, two very toxic communities...

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Speaking of listening, here’s Respawn’s latest take on if they listen to community suggestions. An apex dev quote retweeted on twitter to answer this question “Game devs, what's something that you wish the general public knew about making games?”

And her response was:

“We listen to your problems, not your solutions

It's not because we think your solutions are bad. There are many solutions to a problem. Knowing the problem gives us more data to consider. And if something changes in the future, we can make sure we still avoid the problem, before it happens.

Taking a suggested solution instead of the problem is kind of like following driving directions from a passenger without knowing where they wanna go.
There could be road closures or traffic to avoid, but you won't know to do so unless you know the destination they want to reach.“

I guess they want those threads that just says remove Stormpoint or remove this and that gun with no solutions. Lol.

@Cheese9Man 

Ah I see your point. Quoting a tweet on twitter from a Dev about the community. I could really care less about that. No hard feelings Big Cheese.

When was the last time a Dev posted anything here on the EA Apex Legends forum?

Yes here on the forum not on fb, Reddit, twitter etc.

@Gabrielmojo26 Didn’t post the link because y’all know why. 😉 

This comment outraged a lot of people in twitter for obvious reasons. Most of the comments are either saying “so that’s the reason why the game is in its state right now” and fellow devs (not of respawn) agreeing to the post.

I’m not sure if this applies to game development too but as a physician it’s always better to listen what your patients’ suggestions as well. Though my patients don’t have the knowledge about cellular processes or pathophysiological processes about their disease, it’s nice to listen to them on what they think would help them too and works for them like their diet or I even I adjust medications based from their schedule. Just saying that it should always be a two way street and the statement of not listening to the community solutions should not have been done.

@Asmodeus566No hard feelings man. I think the way they do things here is that some of the CMs cherry pick some complaints to forward to Respawn devs but I honestly think we’re just shouting into the void most of the time. 😂

And even if we do use twitter/reddit, they just said they dont listen to suggestions. So Respawn…

-Bring back the g7
-make control permanent
-remove ranked arenas cause it stinks
-remove stormpoint cause I don’t want it.

@Cheese9Man 

I get the analogy you used with being a doctor and all and that you patients really have no knowledge on how to be treated but that is just wrong.

I am not a doctor but have worked 8 years in pathology and Lab. So I know my way around some medical conditions.

So yes the Doctor should listen maybe I do know what I am talking about. Same goes for game developers.

I will not scream quietly into the Void, I will roar and make my voice heard.

Some of us are sensitive about the way the game devs communicate with us.  It's been notoriously bad.  We had a great period a few months back, but now I'm actually starting to miss DZK.

EDIT  I hope I won't hurt anyone's feelings with what I'm about to say.  The devs will never really care what happens on this forum, or directly communicate with us here.  The number of active posters on this board is miniscule.  They choose to engage on twitter and, to a lesser extant, reddit because there are thousands and thousands of people engaging there.

@pandareno1999 

Yes DZK will be missed.

But again when did he post here in this Forum?

He didn't.  See my above edit.

@pandareno1999 

Saw your edit and is basically what I said earlier in the thread. No hard feelings just hard truths.

thx for your replies.

This is what happens when a software developer speaks, and a good company insulates these people from the general public, because it's a high-speed car crash.

There is a school of thought in Software Development [tm] where you have the users describe their problems, not offer their solutions.  Then the devs get together and hash out the solution.  Note this really applies only to where the software isn't working *as expected*.   I right click my mouse, but ADS doesn't happen.  It's a bug.  Obviously we can't tell them how to fix it, we don't know the code.  Software devs work on this kind of stuff.

Then there is the class of problems where the product does not meet expectations.  Like, "I don't like Storm Point for reasons 1-565".  It's a bad experience.  That's not going to be a code fix, but a lot of map work.  This should come from user requirements and marketing research, for example, not from a bug tracking system.  This is where architects and designers work.

But there are lots of people out here who know a lot of software and infrastructure stuff and are going to offer opinions left and right.  If Respawn can't stand the heat they should get out of the kitchen.

@hayhor 

Well said, very well said.Thank you very much. Wish I could give you more than 1 xp for that answer.

One does have to think about any suggested change, fix, or adjustment not just for one’s own problem but as a benefit not only for themselves but for most all players and with an eye to how it would also benefit the producers and developers of the game.

@Cheese9Man I think the doctor anology is spot on. If a doctor does not listen to the patient when the patient is reporting back about the effect of say prescribed medicines, then there is an issue. Having been a patient, I made sure the doctors heard my point of views about effects vs quality of life, and acted accordingly.

Devs didn't care to hear from the majority of players, thus the consequences we have before us. Qed

I've said it before and I'll say it again, this forum is a focus point for many players and a valuable resource is not imo being used.

28,512,440 million players registered with HQ, how many are apex I'm not sure, but it is not an insignificant number to get feedback from. 

And it dosnt take much effort to read the first post in the below thread:

https://answers.ea.com/t5/General-Discussion/Apex-Legends-Quality-of-Life-Improvement-Requests/td-p/8318265

A dev acknowledging that this thread has been read once a month is no biggy. A lot of work has gone into it he thread by the community and esp @Cabowse

No one is asking the dev to interact....... And any attempts at interaction could be discouraged and edited out, so the dev would feel safe 😃 dipping their toes in here. 

Back in Feb 2019 someone called @Jayfresh_Respawn

posted in this og thread linking to reddit dev supported apex sub and then promptly disappeared. 

A mere 2.1 million members there. 

https://answers.ea.com/t5/General-Discussion/You-Guys-Got-A-Reddit-Page/m-p/7419400#M29

I guess what we all want is just better communication from Respawn. We’re not asking them to reply to each question but to at least address some huge issues that’s still a problem for multiple seasons now. This issue with the xbox game chat hasn’t been updated same goes with the Loba Q. People won’t follow 15 different developers to get these updates. I guess PC and Playstation players are just lucky since Switch players also had a problem where the water in some maps are just purple. LOL. 

How about they communicate using their main twitter profile? Did you guys know they added some additional code to stop DDoS attacks? This should’ve been communicated at least in the patch notes to put some people at ease. I know EA is also involved in limiting on what the devs can say at Respawn. Poor or no communication is one of the ingredients that killed Overwatch. 

One of the reasons why communication was better back then compared to now. Who else remembers these dev streams where they explain the changes in the upcoming patch?