Re: News: Rank Demotion Is Not Happening

@hayhor Demotion actually would help since you get players carried in higher tiers (sometimes they even pay for it) when they simply are not on that level. Plat IV is full of those people, some of them would have to really start playing better in order to get back to it. Of course it'd not fix the issue permanently but at least it'd help with it partially.

I wouldn't apply it to Master though since queue times would dramatically rise.

@Cro_Pittt Once you get to Plat, I believe, you can't team up with someone more than one rank below you.  Therefore, if you get carried as you say, you're really only within 1 category, and it means you had to team up with someone who could handle their weight and yours.

I don't really see that as a problem.  First, it's just a badge, it only means something to an individual to have a certain rank, and second, it's a lot of work to get there, relying on someone else.  Sort of good luck with that is what I'd tell these people, and it's not super amazing to tag a rank.  Rank decline would NOT prevent that, as it'd just be a matter of not playing that rank again for the carried player.

You're battling with Respawn who wants more players playing their game no matter what.  It's not going to help them to have players drop ranked is what they are saying clearly, so you'd seriously have to come at the argument and explain how the ranked player base would grow if you had rank loss.  And I think what the dev is saying here is, also, good luck with that.

I wouldn't care myself, again.  But I could tell you it's easy to imagine stopping playing after a player achieved rank, rather than trying to go further.  It'd be just too frustrating.

@KelRieveryou can carry only to a certain extend, i dont think you can carry a real silver to master, but to plat should not be a huge problem.
Rats are more of an issue, i guess you can rat yourself to at least diamond without doing any dmg/kills.
I guess its even possible to reach Plat by only idling (not playing at all, just queuing) in games until your mates die and you get those round points.

@r1ggedgame You cannot get to Diamond without any kills

You can't get to Platinum either.

Just for the record, and this is not on you, but people do things like system reward math in their heads and it has no bearing on reality.  You're not going to get through Gold without kills in the real world, in the time frame of a season.  It's actually impossible, I'd argue.  And I don't know, if maybe one person wants to waste the time posting a legit YouTube video on how they did it, I will congratulate them on the complete waste of time...and complete uselessness as no one would want to replicate it...if they even could.

The bottom line is you might not need 5 kills a match, but you need to regularly kill people to raise your rank up inside a time frame that matters, BUT most importantly, you have to not play like a hot dropping *.  That's different than not getting kills (I always like how there's no middle ground ever...you're either hot dropping or hiding, according to these forums :P)

Anyway, I don't really think you were saying that, but I want to just take the opportunity to regularly stab the myth of climbing rank by hiding.  You're going to get out of Silver at best doing that, you won't be making it to Plat or Diamond.

I agree, getting carried can happen through gold.  But that's a big act of generosity or a good friend there, and of course requires you to do what really Respawn wants, which is log with a full team.  This is not a pug friendly game, so while you can call it getting carried, it also is technically team work. And the worse you are compared to your carrying pal, the longer it's going to take both of you.  I'm okay with this level of suffering for people to do that.  You don't need to remove rank protection, to be carried in this way is already awful enough for the people involved.

Respawn wants more people to play ranked, not less.  And I do believe both more people play with ranked protection, and less would without.  That's pretty much their argument, seems like, and a solid last nail in the coffin of the argument until someone wants to really try pitching how more people play ranked with no rank protection :P

@KelRieveryou need to get 300 games with 16 points (4800 from b4 to p4) ,thats for 3rd or 4th and you can rat that easily in bronze silver and gold. you might no pull that every game but on some games you get 2nd with 36 points which makes up for an early loss and sometimes even 1st (i had 3 games won as a solo (team dead) without doing any dmg ).
So you might need around 450 games in 9 weeks (50 games per week, some ppl do that in a day) ... not too difficult of a taks imho. seems very possible to me depending on the char ... mirage comes to mind.
If the matchmaking is as some of the people here describe, you should not get the hardest lobbies since you didnt do dmg and kills at all , leaving you with a low hidden MMR.

450 games in 9 weeks is 50 games a week!

Do people not have day jobs?

Or if your day job is playing 50 games that week good on you.  I mean congrats on your hiding Plat IV...which paid you nothing in 9 weeks but a stupid badge.  

Priorities.  If you're that person, seriously give them the Platinum IV.  Maybe they should stay home.  And if there are a 'lot' of people in that category, the problem isn't Respawn or Apex, it's a whole societal problem.  You aren't going to fix THAT with a change to the scoring system!

Edited: for initial mistype but also uh, the point is really the same.  And I want to add, I see a lot of people playing 50 games a week....but not spending it all hiding.  Again, if you are devoting that much time to hiding, I seriously do not see you as a problem...at...all!  That person should take up underwater basket weaving, for more excitement in their lives.  That there are people doing this in droves is simply...I just do not see it.

@KelRievermay i remind you that a lot of players are students/children ? They have quite a lot of time and the urge of climbing up ranks ...
i just wanted to prove you wrong when you said it would not be possible.
And i didnt say that ppl would do that in masses, but with such a big playerbase, there is at least one guy that might do it.

I heard about a guy who proved a point recently by ranking up very high on Crypto without making any kills, or very very few with a bad KDR.  A quick google search couldn't find it for me, I have to ask my friend for more details so I can post it.

@r1ggedgame Ok, internet hyperbole, but I kind of assert it really is impossible as in, nobody has done it far as I can tell.  Even if it is possible, that number has to be so small as to be insignificant.

But when people talk about it, they talk about it like there's a whole bunch of players who got to platinum that way.  And it falls along the lines of things like how, 'all those platinum players are bad', you know, with no thought to that they could be the bad players themselves.

Every single person I've played with or know, far as I can tell, got plenty of kills on their way up.  It's more a matter of that some people play differently than others, and bad decisions often get made.  That's far more plausible than the myth of hiding until you are platinum

@KelRieverdidnt say that its done by a lot of ppl, just wanted to point out that it is likely possible for smb who puts effort into it.
but you are very right with different types of approaching the goal of winning, 10 teams hot dropping on a small place with loot for maybe 2 teams is a bad idea to begin with, but ppl still drop that way ... even if you tell them not to ... which eventually leads to rat-ish behavior.
Drops with a person that is low tier lvl, should not be in the area where all the fancy divetrails go ... but jumpmasters keep ignoring that, they just drop where their favourite spots are.

@hayhor Well part of the point was that with Crypto you don't have to shoot your gun very much if your team mates are good and you are skilled with the drone, with KP being the same for kills or assists.  I really hope he can give me a detail or two with which to find the story.

Diamond is kind of boring so far.  Maybe it wouldn’t be so bad since I could drop back to a more interesting rank 

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@hayhor wrote:
@pandareno1999We've had forumers who said their kds were .6 and they make diamond. It blew my mind at the time but if they position well and have the time I guess anythings possible.

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As of right now most of the people who have K/D 1+ has this because they quit before they smacked. Having 0.6 K/D means nothing, I have no idea why K/D is a part of any stat in this game that people actually cares about, in CS or other games where solo performance is key it has meaning while in Apex if you have fun dropping hot to practice something in pubs you will destroy your own K/D in no time. Right now the stat has no meaning as anyone can have over 1K/D just by making sure you quit before you are downed completely however bad you are.

Same your role on the team might carry you 0.4 K/D but still you got 2.8 A/D (assist/death ratio), so it really dont mean diddle 😉 MMR should definitively not be a whole lot based on this stat as it does nothing to describe how good you are.

@hayhor Yes, I agree.  It would be even more approved smurfing.

But I'm just saying since the decision isn't up to me, you better believe I'd take advantage of it, if it is allowed.

Rank protection is the > good, or < evil.

@BaldWraithSimp silver 2 to Diamond 4 can be done in less than 24 days 😉

Watching streams many quit before it counts esp in pubs where it's normal to mess up your kd. Also as I mentioned in another thread K/D might not be applicable as you might have like 3 in A/D as a secondary breacher I mostly supply damage and my primary breacher keep stealing the kills, I get the same points so I dont really care. But fact is and I see this a lot i pubs with people quitting if they see they loosing the fight, for instance last night landing fight I got no weapon only an arc star so I stuck a watson, took 1 second and he quit before even downed. I see this several times a day, especially streamers quitting fast on drop.