Here we go again…default crossplay on

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That really sucks for console players because Battlefield 6 PC will be riddled with cheaters.

If Microsoft (a company almost worth $4 trillion) isn't able to stop cheaters (even with a kernel level anti-cheat), EA certainly can't.

The Battle Royale will be the worst hit area of the title on PC, because it will be a free 2 play mode (It also doesn't help that EA has a subscription based option, so people might use that for the base game).

EA wants crossplay enabled by default or they lose a massive free security force that will report the cheaters for free. Crossplay isn't about connectivity, it's about profits. What better ecosystem is there like consoles? Let them join PC lobbies to clean them up. Profit.

Understand, their kernel level anti-cheat isn't about raw ability, it's about marketing (security theater) ability. That's why it was marketed in the open, and even given a brand name.

Cool investors with all this talk about security, then reports come in with low cheating data, all made to look like their anti-cheat is doing something. Meanwhile it's just consoles doing most of the work.

Console players that plan on getting the game, disable crossplay the first time you play. If enough console players do it, it will force EA to make a console only crossplay. Don't ask for changes, demand it.

Without a shadow of a doubt, I wholly agree that cross-platform play with PC users is a complete mistake, and I will certainly TURN OFF cross-play on October 10th, on Day One of release.   There is no doubt to me that Mouse vs Controller simply should not mix. It is NOT a level playing field.  Aim Assist and Snap Zoom are an effort to improve Controller handling, but the truth is the sheer hand steadiness on the desktop of Mouse, with or without the use of hacks, is no comparison with the hand-held Controller and "your thumbs."

In both Open Beta weekends there was a great deal of hacks being used (the hacked gameplay was proudly posted on YouTube for all to see, both Aimbot and Wallhack), and I propose that the majority of hacks were PC hacks since it is so darn easy to download and use hacks specifically designed for use on PC.  (Just search "Hacks for Battlefield 6" and watch how quickly you can acquire and download hacks and cheats.) It doesn't matter how few PC players use hacks because only a few per map-per game is enough to skew the Scoreboard significantly and ruin gameplay.

I have played Elder Scrolls Online for six years now and was  heavily into PvP (Alliance vs Alliance vs Alliance - Former Empress and Grand Overlord) and platforms were NOT mixed, and I hope they never will be -- especially in PvP.

I have a PC (laptop) and I love it and use it -- but NOT for playing online games.  That I reserve online gaming for my PS5, my Ultra HD widescreen, and super-comfy gaming chair.  :-D 

NOTE:  I am currently playing BF 2042 to get the BF 6 unlocks (which is better than it used to be -- I particularly like the Iwo Jima map), but, truth be told, with cross-play ON, you WILL feel the actions of hacking with Aimbot and Wallhack on nearly every map, which means you will be relegated to playing with AI Bots who cannot cheat.  Sad, isn't it?

PC and Console should NOT mix.  Console hacks are not impossible, but they are not easy to install and use and are usually quite detectable (my opinion).

Look, let's not bandy words.  On October 10th, I will on Day One turn OFF cross-play, and I believe that there will sufficient Console players available to play any map without delay.

I agree with the following:  Cross-play should be OFF by default. If switched on, it should be with a short "Warning" about the potential negative problems of mixing PC and Console.

AS MENTIONED ABOVE, WE SHOULD HAVE CONSOLE-ONLY CROSSPLAY.

Ugh....Gross. I only want to team up and play with my PC players. I wish they had it off from the start. 

I think it's a mistake too and would prefer it to be off by default, but I expected it due to the beta. However, I do like the confirmation that turning it off still allows Xbox and PlayStation to matchmake together still. 

Edit: On second reading of that quote, it's possibly a bit ambiguous about if the system still allows console crossplay.

It's kind of funny console players have this idea that PC gaming is infested with cheaters. For a title that EA's actively supporting that's not really the case. The amount of noticeable cheaters I've seen during the entirety of the support cycle of Battlefield 2042, I could probably count them on one hand. 

Besides, is turning off a single switch really all that much work? What are you even getting worked up about?

 Console hacks are not impossible, but they are not easy to install and use and are usually quite detectable (my opinion).

Console hacks are as simple as connecting a USB into the console... so, no, Console has it by far easier to cheat than PC. On top of it, the Game Developer already give console player a legit cheat "aim assist"!


I agree that Console and PC should never be put together and aim assists should be taken out. If i buy that game (depends on the status of release) i will turn it off too for playing with PC only.
It´s sad, as i met some nice fellows in BF2042 who play on console.

BTW: AI cheat all the time. They got wallhack and aimbot. 

I will turn it off as well as soon as I’ve installed, never to turn it on again.

i did the same with BF2042 and up until today I’m still able to play.  I’m lucky to be in a densely populated region with sufficient players in my pool. 

Console and PC are 2 different eco systems with different peripherals and networks that just don’t mix well. Adding artificial supports such as aim assist and stick flick are not going to change that, it only will make matters worse as they’re trying to balance something that can never be balanced. 
And yes PC cheating is a thing, but make no mistake there’s console cheating as well nowadays and it’s getting more and more. 

Besides, is turning off a single switch really all that much work? What are you even getting worked up about?

Why turning it on by default to begin with?

The issue is that you and I and most people on these boards who invest time in understanding the game know that we can toggle it off.
However a lot of casual new players do not. They boot up the game start matchmaking and get beamed. Soon they will get frustrated and leave the game for something else..

It will negatively impact player retention. It especially becomes an issue in low populated areas, increasing lobby waiting time later in the game’s lifecycle.

Why turning it on by default to begin with?

That's an extremely easy question to answer. A bigger player pool means that it's much faster to matchmake and in addition to that, it can matchmake players into a larger variety of game modes and maps.

However a lot of casual new players do not. They boot up the game start matchmaking and get beamed.

Casual players get beamed because they are casual players. They would get beamed regardless of whether cross play is on or not. In the vast majority of cases, it's not about whether you're using mouse and keyboard or a controller. It's about whether your knowledge of the game leads you to make the correct decisions. Short-term decisions like positioning, crosshair placement and target prioritization. Tactical decisions about which objectives to attack, which routes to take and when to engage or disengage.

Don't get me wrong though, your ability to aim is certainly still important, but that's where aim assist for controllers kicks in. Controller players only have about half the recoil to compensate for as well. 

It will negatively impact player retention. It especially becomes an issue in low populated areas, increasing lobby waiting time later in the game’s lifecycle.

It's the complete opposite actually. Generally cross play boosts player retention because the game will maintain an active player base for longer. The idea that people quit out of frustration simply isn't true. Having said that, there's one key component to making cross play work and that's making sure the console experience is properly balanced against the PC experience. It should also always remain optional.

Besides, I disagree with the idea that casuals can't find an option in the settings. Obviously they shouldn't bury the setting in layers of sub-menus. If it's easily accessible, there should be zero issues with leaving it on by default.