GAC system maybe ?

"DeusArt;c-2394086" wrote:
Just again I will suggest yearly based system. Refresh score once in a year, sorting it by GP and give players unlimited climb with skill like it is works now. GP matters for good start and good roster matters for effective gac. And big final reward at the end of the year.
I think it could suit everyone.

GP matters

Skill and strategy matters

Falling down or skipping punished with small reward at the end of the year

Every year fresh start and chance to do it better


May be it could be half year run to make it more dynamic

I can see few problems with this kind of approach, mainly being in low gp brackets, right after gp group is set, if one starts to whale it will be a year (or 6 month) of great advantage. Even for not so big spenders. or for someone quit the game for lets say, 2 months and decide to return, it would be absolute hellhole for them and this discourages any player to start again, which this game highly suffers for already.

Problem is I don’t think there is a reasonable solution that wouldn’t affect everything else. I wish there was, but it’s way too complicated. Your idea of splitting GAC into an active and inactive branch means two smaller GACs. Smaller GAC means smaller leagues, which in turn means smaller divisions. Even if you only pulled the inactives out of Carbonite, Kyber divisions would shrink. The GAC doesn’t maintain it’s current state with a change like this, it would have to adjust downward. And that doesn’t even cover potentially adding an incentive for people to go inactive.
No system is perfect, sometimes it’s better to live with the flaws.

"Silcrow;c-2394087" wrote:

I can see few problems with this kind of approach, mainly being in low gp brackets, right after gp group is set, if one starts to whale it will be a year (or 6 month) of great advantage. Even for not so big spenders. or for someone quit the game for lets say, 2 months and decide to return, it would be absolute hellhole for them and this discourages any player to start again, which this game highly suffers for already.

I don’t agree. 1-2 season and whale advantage will face bigger opponents. We seen this already when skillrating was applied. 2nd season with new system and there was a lot of discussion about unfair matchmaking.
And now, people who hit 85 level will see on their first GAC a lot of half dead accounts with GLs and relics and nightmare will start every time when someone decide to play.
But 1-2 seasons and GAC will be balanced by skillrating and at the time when skilled player faced opponents GP-wall refresh will put them on GP starting point.

Let’s make it on simple example:

I start 2m GP and facing equal opponents

I win and face opponents 1m GP more then me

I have 2/1 winrate season and my opponents became 2m GP more or dead accounts

I grow my GP and successful with GAC -> face opponent twice stronger then me

And I’m stuck on 50/50 winrate in my real skill bracket (our current state)

Then comes refresh and with 3-4m GP I will start again but from higher position and with stronger roster. What will lead me to bigger results and give feelings of progression

Yeah, CG's not going to want people to only whale once per year.

So some players have decided they don't care about their GAC Skill Rating. There reasons are probably not the same and for a variety of issues.

However, to get rewards they need to attack once. Some are attacking zero times, some are attacking just the once, some are attacking the once if they have time, some are attacking with anything, some are attacking with their best team, some set a good defence, some have more time on Thursdays so play properly then and not other days, some like bananas.

I don't think there's one algorithm to catch all of the above.

"DeusArt;c-2394086" wrote:
Just again I will suggest yearly based system. Refresh score once in a year, sorting it by GP and give players unlimited climb with skill like it is works now.

If you do it once a year, you may as well do it once a week. As setting by GP affects how players play the whole of SWGOH. Once you put GP weight on, you can't take it off.

With a reset to your GP, it will affect your match ups for at least more than half of the year under your system, therefore GP weight watching would be required for all of your SWGOH activity. The influence it would have is the same, so you may as well go back to total GP match making system as the affect it would have on SWGOH is the same.

It also doesn't take into account, or punishes unfairly the try hards that have moved up the rankings with a lower GP and are happy about it. Do they want to be reset to lower leagues and get less rewards?

"Silcrow;c-2394063" wrote:
Well, what i am trying to find solution is 0 banner people, which lower brackets i play suffer for. I didnt get matched with any played one match and throwed the rest of the battle type of guy yet, so i have no idea how severe that problem is and would be. This is a solution to a problem i saw, it doesnt have to answer all the problems, if that is a problem, feel free to find a solution for it too instead of trying to forge one answer for all problems

I think it's the same problem. Eventually the 10-69ers are going to end up in Carbonite, they're just getting there at a slower rate. I guess CG could do something about the 0 banner guys, but it doesn't address the whole inactivity problem. And our GAC rating system doesn't work properly with inactivity.

I think what would be reasonable to me is something along the lines of:

A. CG has a set GP in mind for each division.
B. If a player falls a certain percentage below that division it raises a red flag.
C. A programme then looks at the player's GAC match up banner count since falling from above division.
D. For players that do not meet a sufficient average banner count (per league), Rick and Beth class them as 'unproductives'.
E. Unproductives are in future grouped together in their own GAC pools.

"harvestmouse;c-2394147" wrote:

If you do it once a year, you may as well do it once a week. As setting by GP affects how players play the whole of SWGOH. Once you put GP weight on, you can't take it off.

Time matters. We play with this system only for a year. And GP start give effect only on first 2 seasons. Then I never faced lower GP opponents. Bur your GP is also a factor, and it will work for you once a year - that is fair, it’s not like previous system when you locked in you GP bucket and nothing more. You locked only for a 1 season of 12. Other 11 season is game with current rules.

"harvestmouse;c-2394147" wrote:

It also doesn't take into account, or punishes unfairly the try hards that have moved up the rankings with a lower GP and are happy about it. Do they want to be reset to lower leagues and get less rewards?

It will count them with yearly based reward(idk, 10k crystals for example if it’s a year activity, but balance it in ligue-division range). Otherwise what we receive at the end in current system? 50/50 winrate, that’s all. It’s boring, and I will be glad to see competitive in GAC, where I could hit a row of victories, but I can’t because of GP/roster wall. With my current roster in 4m GP I’m facing only 7-8m GP in aurodium, if lucky 6m GP.
Would I like to be reseted in chromium with receiving, idk 6-7k crystals?
Yes, there is:

a reward for year activity

better start because of rising GP for this year(chromium, not bronzium like it was year ago)

chance to play with victories which is most important part

stimulation of my activity for next year and reason to grow my GP for better start

"DeusArt;c-2394149" wrote:

Time matters. We play with this system only for a year. And GP start give effect only on first 2 seasons. Then I never faced lower GP opponents. Bur your GP is also a factor, and it will work for you once a year - that is fair, it’s not like previous system when you locked in you GP bucket and nothing more. You locked only for a 1 season of 12. Other 11 season is game with current rules.

"harvestmouse;c-2394147" wrote:

It also doesn't take into account, or punishes unfairly the try hards that have moved up the rankings with a lower GP and are happy about it. Do they want to be reset to lower leagues and get less rewards?

It will count them with yearly based reward(idk, 10k crystals for example if it’s a year activity, but balance it in ligue-division range). Otherwise what we receive at the end in current system? 50/50 winrate, that’s all. It’s boring, and I will be glad to see competitive in GAC, where I could hit a row of victories, but I can’t because of GP/roster wall. With my current roster in 4m GP I’m facing only 7-8m GP in aurodium, if lucky 6m GP.
Would I like to be reseted in chromium with receiving, idk 6-7k crystals?
Yes, there is:

a reward for year activity

better start because of rising GP for this year(chromium, not bronzium like it was year ago)

chance to play with victories which is most important part

stimulation of my activity for next year and reason to grow my GP for better start

"DeusArt;c-2394149" wrote:

Time matters. We play with this system only for a year. And GP start give effect only on first 2 seasons. Then I never faced lower GP opponents. Bur your GP is also a factor, and it will work for you once a year - that is fair, it’s not like previous system when you locked in you GP bucket and nothing more. You locked only for a 1 season of 12. Other 11 season is game with current rules.

So we fundamentally disagree on 2 issues.

1. The affect resetting by GP would have. I'm absolutely positive it wouldn't just affect 2 seasons of GAC. It would affect half a year at the least. Even if you're right, it affected only one season..........what is the point then? It seems a pointless exercise.

I prefer the current system where we're matched by success. However, I really don't mind being matched in GAC by GP. My big issue with matching by GP is the affect it has on every other part of SWGOH. Either your system has an effect, in which case players go back to min-max building or it doesn't, in which case it's pointless. You're trying to sell the idea as both (in a positive sense), I believe there has to be a draw back. I believe it's the old drawback of the old system.

The old system wasn't just a GP bucket and nothing more. There were 4 weeks, each week's draw was based on how well you were doing over the season. So the first week was totally GP based, after that it depended on your success in the previous weeks (but still within GP brackets). Your system is pretty much the same, but on a larger scale.

"DeusArt;c-2394149" wrote:

Otherwise what we receive at the end in current system? 50/50 winrate, that’s all. It’s boring, and I will be glad to see competitive in GAC, where I could hit a row of victories, but I can’t because of GP/roster wall. With my current roster in 4m GP I’m facing only 7-8m GP in aurodium, if lucky 6m GP.

So, you think it's unfair that we don't have even GP? However, you think it's fair to go on large winning streaks? I feel that most of the arguments for this system are (like you) lower GP players that feel they are being handed unfair matches because of GP, therefore they should be winning more. This isn't taken into account your 'Yang' to your 'Ying'. The 8 million GP guy who will go on large losing streaks.

I started in Aurodium 3 and I'm now at 6.8 million, so I would say that's around the average for Aurodium (not taking into account Kyber shrinking). So at 4 million, you're already way above where you were set under GP. you don't think you should expect biased matches to offset your obvious skill? You think it's ok under your system to start off with a nigh on 100% win streak that will tail off to 50% as the year progresses, and then reset again?

Sorry, I cannot agree on fairness or what's best for the game as a whole. The GP issue affects much more than just GAC. I think your situation is more than fair, and how the system should be working.

I also feel your theory effects are a bit of a contradiction.

"harvestmouse;c-2394154" wrote:

I prefer the current system where we're matched by success. However, I really don't mind being matched in GAC by GP. My big issue with matching by GP is the affect it has on every other part of SWGOH. Either your system has an effect, in which case players go back to min-max building or it doesn't, in which case it's pointless. You're trying to sell the idea as both (in a positive sense), I believe there has to be a draw back. I believe it's the old drawback of the old system.

Current system has dead end, it sort player by success and give them 50/50 winrate. That's all. Only Kyber 1 has real competitive GAC.
When you start with GP - that's GP game, when you win/lose it will lead you to success based system with each new season and stops on 50/50 again.
Then refresh gives you new start:
For huge GP, uneffective rosters - betters league rewards from start and easy challenge on late game with low GP opponents
For low GP, effective rosters - better winrate rewards from start and hard challenge on late game with Big GP opponents.
Just attach to this really good reward at the end of GAC year and it will give huge stimulation to play all year.

"harvestmouse;c-2394154" wrote:

So, you think it's unfair that we don't have even GP? However, you think it's fair to go on large winning streaks? I feel that most of the arguments for this system are (like you) lower GP players that feel they are being handed unfair matches because of GP, therefore they should be winning more. This isn't taken into account your 'Yang' to your 'Ying'. The 8 million GP guy who will go on large losing streaks.

What do you mean? I should be punished for good winrate?
I'm not interested on those who is easy win for me or those who is unbeatable for me. I want someone who is competitive for me.

Just kinda want to post this here, I didn't have much time or willpower to attack the previous night due to an emergency but I did enough to win the next day during my 15 minute break at work. I do like free wins when I can't fight and I'm not always in the mood to do a whole fight. I got college, work and a kid. On top of the other events that happen, TW, TB and Conquest. In short I do like the system more but for reasons.

1. I'm earning X5 more cyrstals then i was before. I never made it to top 10 in squad arena so being in Kyber 2-3 gets me alot of cyrstals

2. Even though I might be matched up against high GP opponents, I know I can still stand a chance, they might be lazy or I might be a tad more focused then them.

3. Feats, I didn't like having to do feats to earn extra GAC currency. I'm glad it got moved over to the rewards more. I do miss obtainable title and portraits now though... wish those could come back at some point

"DeusArt;c-2394167" wrote:

Current system has dead end, it sort player by success and give them 50/50 winrate.

This is a League system, with promotions and relegations. It's successful in many different games and sports all over the world. There is no 50/50 win rate as such, it's a case of being promoted until you find your balanced spot.

"DeusArt;c-2394167" wrote:
Only Kyber 1 has real competitive GAC.

Your source for this? I've been as high as Kyber 3 and as low as Aurodium 3. I've spent the most time in Aurodium 2, then Kyber 4. I'm very very happy with how competitive my games are. I've watched a fair bit of Ahnaldt101's f2p account. That rose from Carbonite to mid Chromium. Although he complains a lot about the GP, his matches are again pretty good and competitive.

"DeusArt;c-2394167" wrote:
When you start with GP - that's GP game, when you win/lose it will lead you to success based system with each new season and stops on 50/50 again. Then refresh gives you new start:

Yes, but you're not addressing my complaint. You can't get a tattoo 'for a bit'. As you can't build your roster towards a lean GP 'for a bit'. Once you've built freely, you cannot go back. So you're suggesting a system that is GP orientated because it suits you.

"DeusArt;c-2394167" wrote:
For huge GP, uneffective rosters - betters league rewards from start and easy challenge on late game with low GP opponents
For low GP, effective rosters - better winrate rewards from start and hard challenge on late game with Big GP opponents.

The same as what we have now. Low GP effective rosters are getting league rewards than they would at the start of your system.

High ineffective roster players are now getting better match ups. Exactly the same, you're just deciding who gets what differently and using GP match making to do it.

"DeusArt;c-2394167" wrote:
Just attach to this really good reward at the end of GAC year and it will give huge stimulation to play all year.

But you seem like the rewards you're now getting (well above your starting league) aren't enough. However, you're suggesting for others it would be enough?

"DeusArt;c-2394167" wrote:
What do you mean? I should be punished for good winrate?

Absolutely not. I think you should be rewarded, which is the case. You are now getting much better rewards and have progressed to Aurodium; a real achievement.

"For huge GP, uneffective rosters - betters league rewards"

As you pointed out yourself, better league rewards are an enticement.

"DeusArt;c-2394167" wrote:
I'm not interested on those who is easy win for me or those who is unbeatable for me. I want someone who is competitive for me.

Well that's what you're asking for, going back to a GP system. Ask around see how many players here used to go 12/0 under the GP system.

I doubt many here went worse than 9/3.

And remember, for every 12/0 player, there's a 0/12 player. The yang to your ying.