I know, how matchmaking in GAC works and I'm quite ok with that. Unfortunately placing fleets always in back row makes owning 2 good fleets a big disadvantage (i refer to lower leagues, most likely doesn't matter in higher, because everyone has nego and malevolence maxed there). We can't we have it in front row at least in every second GAC season? It also seems quite thematic - first get rid of planet defence in space then land with your squads.

If my oponent have trash fleet, which lets him only get points for setting fleet defence it means he has big GP advantage in squads (according to match making rules). This way he's potentially able to set defence which blocks access to fleet node and I'm not even able to utilize my fleet big advantage. I can't block anything with fleet because it's in back row.

If you believe your fleet can hold on defense and you can still clear your opponent's fleet on offense use that to your advantage. Set a weak squad defense. Save each and every squad you need to get through your opponent's defense for offense. If you still can't get through your opponent's defense they deserve the win.

As long as you can effectively full clear it doesn’t really matter where your strong fleet goes. If you full clear and they can’t beat your ships regardless where they are you’ll still win.

"Joebo720;c-2151238" wrote:I guess. Think most will put their heavy D on the south wall as it is worth more points and that's where you really want to get the stop.I put my strongest stuff on the front bottom. You know top back is going to be a fleet, and you can see front top. The only area that is a mystery is back bottom. If you go front top first to get to their fleet, you risk using up teams that should be used in the back bottom.Clear front bottom, see what they're hiding in the rear, then go for the rest.I don't have an opinion on whether fleets should be front or back. Front would be interesting to see, but we're four rounds into this GAC and no opponent has even attacked me yet, (not because I'm scary, just because they don't care--I'm emminently beatable) and I feel like if fleets were up front even fewer people would care. But I see why they should be up front, plus I like fleets and have several good ones so it'd be nice to use them.

Solution, stop investing on fleet. fleet is boring, anyway

Good fllets being the disadvantage in GAC

41 Replies

Rath_Tarr0
5 years ago
3.2m GP is division 3 out of 11. Technically lower than division 1 but not exactly low. It's also plenty of GP to support 2 arena grade fleets, even if many players don't seem to care enough to do so.

At around half that GP and lower, things get rather more difficult if you are invested in fleets.
SalvP007
5 years ago
If my oponent have trash fleet, which lets him only get points for setting fleet defence it means he has big GP advantage in squads (according to match making rules). This way he's potentially able to set defence which blocks access to fleet node and I'm not even able to utilize my fleet big advantage. I can't block anything with fleet because it's in back row.
SalvP007
5 years ago
@Its_not_a_moon I see you're def fleet is worth 400k, most likely similar for off fleet. So 800k in total, so let's assume your oponent fleet is worth 200k only (i know, super extreme and rather not possible) - this means he has 600k GP more in squads than you. Enough to block the fleet node and nullify your fleet advantage completely and still having big advantage in squad only column.
Waquira
5 years ago
If you believe your fleet can hold on defense and you can still clear your opponent's fleet on offense use that to your advantage. Set a weak squad defense. Save each and every squad you need to get through your opponent's defense for offense. If you still can't get through your opponent's defense they deserve the win.
shaddesss
5 years ago
As long as you can effectively full clear it doesn’t really matter where your strong fleet goes. If you full clear and they can’t beat your ships regardless where they are you’ll still win.
SalvP007
5 years ago
You can't full clear someone with such big GP advantage in squads. Fleet GP are worth same in match making however they it's worth much less because fleet is always in back row.

Will you be able to full clear someone with 600k advantage in top squads? If it's lets say 1,6M vs 1M? I don't think so. Changing fleet placement to front row would balance that.
Waquira
5 years ago
"Salv;c-2151194" wrote:
You can't full clear someone with such big GP advantage in squads. Fleet GP are worth same in match making however they it's worth much less because fleet is always in back row.

Will you be able to full clear someone with 600k advantage in top squads? If it's lets say 1,6M vs 1M? I don't think so. Changing fleet placement to front row would balance that.

Again:

"Waqui;c-2151188" wrote:
If you still can't get through your opponent's defense they deserve the win.

Also:
I'm not so sure matchmaking works the way you think it works.
SalvP007
5 years ago
"Waqui;c-2151198" wrote:

Also:
I'm not so sure matchmaking works the way you think it works.

So my understanding is as follows - let's say you set 5 squads + fleet. So it takes GP for your top 30 (in 3v3) chars (5*3*2) plus your 10-14 (depends on how many reinforcement you can set) best ships + 2 best capital ships and puts you in same bracket with oponents with similar GP counted this way.

This means the every GP you have more than oponent in fleets, you have less in squads. Usually difference is not very significant and doesn't matter, but if you (while having 2 good fleets) encounter someone with complete trash, it matters. In theory fine, but considering fleet is back row only, players with better squads will have big advantage.
SalvP007
5 years ago
"DarjeloSalas;c-2151203" wrote:
I don’t think there’s any evidence that fleet is considered when GAC matchmaking is done.

Are you sure about that? Anyone else can confirm? I own nice fleets (for my level), usually much better than my GAC oponents and I always had an impression (is there a way to compare gac gp in automatic way, when your opponent doesn't have swgoh.gg account? Too lazy to count it manually...) they have advantage in squads GP due to my big fleet advantage. Of course if what you say is true GAC favors fleet owners and I should not trust my impressions.
SalvP007
5 years ago
Not yet:). But will be. Can you recommend any GAC comparison bot on discord?