Hard Node Farms

Of course it's gone. They are paying for that window, and that window only. 3 months because you paid for it. And I support that 3 month window.

But to say that someone who paid day 1 somehow is affected by a toon going to a non-hard node 3 months later is laughable.

"Vettes4Fetts2;c-1600841" wrote:
Of course it's gone. They are paying for that window, and that window only. 3 months because you paid for it. And I support that 3 month window.

But to say that someone who paid day 1 somehow is affected by a toon going to a non-hard node 3 months later is laughable.

Yes they are. There is more to a toon than just arena, TB advantage which doesnt come around that often and other events where that toon can be used.


As I was pointing out also, they want to have an incentive for people to speed up the farming too, a smart f2p can use that to great advantage in keep ahead knowing that the farm time is pretty set in stone.

Decreasing that or randomly changing it especially by placing toons in stores that dont rotate could be more detrimental to players who plan well and work the plan

"Arcticfury;c-1600909" wrote:

"Vettes4Fetts2;c-1600860" wrote:

"Kyno;c-1600846" wrote:

"Vettes4Fetts2;c-1600841" wrote:
Of course it's gone. They are paying for that window, and that window only. 3 months because you paid for it. And I support that 3 month window.

But to say that someone who paid day 1 somehow is affected by a toon going to a non-hard node 3 months later is laughable.

Yes they are. There is more to a toon than just arena, TB advantage which doesnt come around that often and other events where that toon can be used.


As I was pointing out also, they want to have an incentive for people to speed up the farming too, a smart f2p can use that to great advantage in keep ahead knowing that the farm time is pretty set in stone.

Decreasing that or randomly changing it especially by placing toons in stores that dont rotate could be more detrimental to players who plan well and work the plan

This is probably the first time someone has said making something more available can be detrimental to them lol.

So if you buy an iPhone on day 1 with a 3 month pre release exclusivity, great, you paid for that privilege. But if I buy it on day 91 it should be both harder for me to acquire and also not have all functions until the 9th month?

You bought and paid for 3 months advantage.

Totally missing the point. They paid for 3 months exclusitivity along with a 6+ month window of superiority. You are asking them to shorten the 2nd window because you don't want to pay to shorten it yourself.

Hahahahahahaha. Good one.

Oh wait, you're serious.

9 months, huh?

So all those people who paid for the Vets on JTR first should demand a 9 month window between events?

Buying a toon doesn't guarantee you superiority. It merely gives you advantage for 3 months until that toon is f2p farmable. One hard node is very f2p farmable. My qualm is this is quickly becoming rhe norm, rather than the exception.

I would totally buy into this well written but misguided explanation IF at a certain point (even at devs discretion) toons would come off the single node farm at some point- ending the exclusivity. But they don't. They stay permanently.

I've done many single node farms. I don't begrudge them making money, as I've stated on many occasions, but I must say at what point do you break the players bank and they stop spending? It's like they cut off their nose to spite their face sometimes. They may add to Cantina, because that's revenue on a limited resource. But stated never in a store that may benefit all players.

And they did state terms. 4-6 weeks Chromium, 4-6 weeks Shipments, then f2p farmable. They set that cadence, not me. So my 3 month window is absolutely correct, and that is on the high end.

And also. Let's be clear. I'm not arguing against people paying to gain that 3 month window. No problems with it, more power to them. Nor am I arguing against single node farms, been there done that, got the tshirt.

What I am arguing against is the growing trend of single node farms becoming the norm, not the exception.

Oh my, let's go.

1. Nope. Not a favored toon on a newly minted hard node. Have many done already. But just because it doesn't affect me doesn't mean I can't advocate for others that it does.
2. Name me the toons this year that went to something other a single LS/DS node. Hyoda, Wampa, Matt, Starck, Spirit. Love these farms. Still takes time, but you can focus resources to make it slower or faster as you desire. What's wrong with options? All other releases went hard node. True there's no "rule", but can we at least diversify locations?
3. Many p2p players have left, or stopped spending, as well. Take a read in the Sith Raid or Sith Rewards threads. Never said only ftp players are unhappy, many player of all spending levels are unhappy. And as a rule, unhappy customers are a detriment to profit.
4. How much advantage is enough? 3 months? 9 months? We're talking about toons. We all know gear and mods make the difference. Should we have exclusive gear (crap, we do, don't we) or exclusive mods (oh crap, coming soon)? We're all told ftp can compete with p2p after a certain point. If that point is 9 months later, at the speed the game changes, that toon is no longer viable in most cases.

Also, I'm a spender. Not a whale, but spend more than I should. So this isn't a case of crying about people who do spend a lot having an advantage over me.

Did I miss anything?

Bastila made me stop spending. A 3* G10 toon has no place in the top 5.

Low-tier characters like Rose should absolutely not be going to hard nodes or 16+ cantina nodes. Kylo and Executioner were well-received (they certainly were a nice change of pace after having been forced into farming the useless vets on their 20 nodes). I totally understand characters like Sion and probably even Range Trooper going to hard nodes, but characters like Rose, Holdo, most of the Solo team, etc should all definitely not end up on hard nodes (or high-end cantina nodes). They are niche toons that don't really fulfill a role in the game for raids or pvp, people should not be forced to dedicate several months of exclusive farming to each of them.

"Vettes4Fetts2;c-1601205" wrote:

"Kyno;c-1601192" wrote:

"Vettes4Fetts2;c-1601053" wrote:
I would totally buy into this well written but misguided explanation IF at a certain point (even at devs discretion) toons would come off the single node farm at some point- ending the exclusivity. But they don't. They stay permanently.

I've done many single node farms. I don't begrudge them making money, as I've stated on many occasions, but I must say at what point do you break the players bank and they stop spending? It's like they cut off their nose to spite their face sometimes. They may add to Cantina, because that's revenue on a limited resource. But stated never in a store that may benefit all players.

And they did state terms. 4-6 weeks Chromium, 4-6 weeks Shipments, then f2p farmable. They set that cadence, not me. So my 3 month window is absolutely correct, and that is on the high end.

again, no that is not correct, because they also clearly state in that same post that they will put them in a store that has a rotation or on a node. and that will absolutely add time unless you supplement with crystals and is very clearly stated as part of the release cadence.

the exclusivity does end. approximately 6 months or so after they are put on a node because at that point anyone who wanted to could have them 100% free.

Got it. People need 6-9 months of exclusivity, or advantage.

Got it.

Guess I'm the only one who wants toons to go to other locations other than a 16 or 20 energy single node.

Got it.

Do they need it, I'm not sure, but have you seen how expensive the toons are?

Also, as I have said that period after they enter shipments for crystals is not exclusively about the spender who bought it previously. It's about adding value to the person who is buying with crystals they either bought or saved. That is still an "investment" and without the dwindling exclusivity of a long farm it is less so.

This game is not a hard line of P2P/F2P, there are a big range of people who dont spend $500+ a month, and there are a bunch of hoarders who play very close to the chest and may not spend any $$. They are trying to make a market for them too.

"Aesuarez;c-1602028" wrote:
C'mon. New toons are nothing more than new toys. Don't call them investments. We pay to play with a new toy for a couple of months. But as with any other product they lose value over time. This happens because the novelty wears off, because other characters are released, because they stop being exclusive, because they mysteriously stop showing up on platoons when they become F2P... The point is that they devalue over time.
It makes absolutely no sense that a year and a half old character is worth the same as a newly released character, and for devs to artificially make it a scarce good is only going to hurt themselves in the long run. It makes it impossible for newer players to catch up (unless they spend an amount of money almost no one has available) and it only makes it more frustrating for F2P who would otherwise consider spending. I for one don't like feeling blackmailed into spending, even if I would pay occasionally for some toons

TW and TB keep toons valuable for way longer than their farm time. If anything mods (or lack there of) hold toons back from being more useful than anything.

Leia and Sun Fec are 2 prime examples of very old toons that are still versatile in game.

New player to catch up to who? They face players at the same level and rough time in game as they are. They dont face players that they need to catch up to a year of farming ahead of them unless they want to put themselves in that position and there is almost no real reward for them doing so.