"Hiro" Discussion (AKA "New Character #4")

This sounds like Revan maybe lol, i would buy this hero in a heartbeat just because it is so different. A support class that can be on ither side and abilities that change based on effects just sounds unreal.

I really like the idea of the basic and i can already see some very interesting teams out of this kit.

"GhostSpider;591249" wrote:
Similar with how old Ben grants a heap of buffs on death maybe these new toons who lose their leadership abilities can grant a bonus when killed while a leader rather than making their leader abilities OP on their own.

But thats not the only bonus Ben gives, and buffs on death act as a deterent. And if he dies, the main leader ability still applies

Perhps we could reconsider the leader thing as a whole.. Maybe make all leader skills vanish once leader dies

"J0K3R;591701" wrote:

"GhostSpider;591249" wrote:
Similar with how old Ben grants a heap of buffs on death maybe these new toons who lose their leadership abilities can grant a bonus when killed while a leader rather than making their leader abilities OP on their own.

But thats not the only bonus Ben gives, and buffs on death act as a deterent. And if he dies, the main leader ability still applies

Perhps we could reconsider the leader thing as a whole.. Maybe make all leader skills vanish once leader dies

Magic words if i ever heard them Joker +100 they definitely should consider.

The numbers for the leader ability are on the order of 60% at base to 100% at max with Omegas, @Naecabon . It has to go away on death at 100% or this character is super OP. (This character was kitted before Mods existed, so we may have to alter it somewhat. It's been sitting around since ~March.)

Most of the abilities for this kit max really high, so Special 1 for instance removes 100% turn meter from a support. The intent is to use this character as a strategic force in any party for either faction it's in. As always, playtesting might reveal things like what you suggest, so we might (for example) make the effect on tanks be -max hp & -def. Or maybe just a unique defense down at like -80% or something. These are the sorts of things Conduit will suss out when he has to make all the nitty gritty details in the kit.

I really love support role characters in a group of 5.

the ability to have a complex kit adds to the strategy, but the char has to be effective in max roles (like 100% TM down) otherwise its RNG and will never make a meta.

Off Down, Def Down could be very fun and natural counters to Rey and RG. I am all for good counter kits as opposed to nerfs. this is intriguing overall design

5) (Leader): characters in Character’s party gain N potency while Character is alive. Non- dark side characters gain half of this effect. characters in Characters’s party gain N tenacity while Character is alive. Non- light side characters gain half this effect.

As @CapGaSP has mentioned, 100% bonus buff here is quite strong. In an arena sense, the tenacity buff here would be significantly stronger than the potency buff, almost acting as tenacity up (like rex). Arguably, due to how potency is much more naturally available than tenacity, along with the potency-bias at equal standing, the Dark Faction bonus is much more valuable. Toons don't need more than incidental potency from mods to land debuffs at the minimum resist rate. The opposite is true of tenacity, where maxing out every available tenacity slot will yield ~50% resist rate. This may have an effect making this toon more heavily light side favored, from an arena perspective.

Agree with @Naecabon on Special 2. This skill would basically be useless when none of the buffs are present. Perhaps more generic conditions would make it more usable?

Dengar inspired:

3) Special 2: Deal low special damage to an enemy.

Then apply effects based on the following conditions:
a. Upgrade: If the enemy has any positive buffs, inflict Root for one turn.
b. Upgrade: If the enemy has any negative debuffs, inflict Blind for one turn.
c. Upgrade: If the attack crits, inflict all negative debuffs from the target onto all enemies.

Obviously just an example but the conditions are broader and the ability will probably see more use.

On first glance, this character is incredibly intriguing. As F2P, I'd certainly hope this character was a farmable one, but I would completely understand if it were introduced via Aurodium, and wouldn't be mad about that as it's not COMPLETELY overpowered as a whole. While being a very useful character in bringing together the light and dark side (I completely see the thought process behind this possibly being Revan, @Mofojokers1992), it's not so OP that if it's made exclusive will break the game.

I don't think not knowing the type a character is will be much issue, honestly. If you hit a target, you'll inflict some kind of debuff, that's good enough for me! I really like the idea of having abilities that vary based on the target's buffs, debuffs, character types, etc. It adds more depth and strategy to the game.

Suggestion to attacking Tanks: Since not all tanks have taunts, having an effect that depends on taunts would not be as useful. I propose this: If the tank is currently taunting: Remove Taunt and apply Healing immunity/Defense down (perhaps one or the other), if the tank type character is NOT taunting (whether capable of taunting or not) remove all buffs and apply Buff Immunity/Speed Down.

This negates the possibility of the tank-type character being able to taunt, while also negating other tank-type characters like Savage Oppress who gains Off/Def Up from taking hits, and also slows other non-taunting tank characters like CT-5555 and Mace down, removing some of the threat factor.

I don't particularly like the making them stealth aspect of that ability, honestly.

"CG_CapGaSP;59372" wrote:
Another SUPER EARLY new character kit. Note that Conduit hasn't done a pass on all the upgrade levels. This particular character is heavily in flux, and does some new unique things never before seen so we want to get feedback really early in the process before we decide if we're definitively going this route with this character.

Character #4
Side: Neutral (character can be used in both light and dark battles)
Class: Support
Stats: (on a scale of 1-5 where 5 is best), Health 3, Speed 4, Protection 4, Armor 2, Resistance 3, Potency 4, Tenacity 4,
Kit:
1) Basic: Attack for physical damage. This attack deals much higher damage than normal but cannot crit on its own. Gain 5% crit chance for every debuff target unit is suffering from.
2) Special 1: Attack an enemy for special damage. If that enemy is a support N% chance to remove Y turn meter. If the target is a tank N% chance to inflict DEF down. If the Target is an attacker N% chance to inflict OFF Down.
3) Special 2: Deal low special damage to an enemy. If that enemy is currently taunting, N% chance to switch the taunt to stealth for one turn.
a. Upgrade: If the enemy has foresight, chance to inflict Root for one turn
b. Upgrade: If the enemy has advantage, chance to inflict Blind for one turn.
4) (Unique): N% chance to grant or ally advantage after taking damage.
5) (Leader): characters in Character’s party gain N potency while Character is alive. Non- dark side characters gain half of this effect. characters in Characters’s party gain N tenacity while Character is alive. Non- light side characters gain half this effect.
New Debuffs:
Root – Target cannot evade or dodge attacks.
Blind – Basic attacks have a 100% miss chance.

Summary:
So I took a long time to evaluate this set because of all the new technology. On the whole this is a good character but he needs some tweaks...

Pros:
* neutral is wonderful and will help greatly on the las/dis tables leveling up. I borrowed this for the gimme character suggestion on training events. Absolutely go for it.
* Special number one with conditional offensive debuffs is fantastic.
* special number two conditional debuffs are nice but the AI is going to be stupid with them.
* Unique is ok. But pretty much everything crits in arena these days. Unless you expand crit avoidance to non arrow mods that isn't going to change, if you do though, and advantage works through that then I would want this ability.
* Blind and Root are nice new abilities that will make future characters pretty darn interesting!

Cons:
* I'm not liking the crit on the basic. It's too confusing and you will have players modding for crit chance and wondering why it doesn't work. Better is to give him a low base crit chance and the crit with debuff bonus. Less confusing especially when 2x buffs start flying around.
* Special 2: aside from the AI butchering this ability, I'm not a fan of low special damage but the debuff is powerful enough to use it.
* The leader should be the unique and the unique should be the leader. Having one lone character.where leadership does not survive death is a bad thing.

A wild update has appeared! Revisions as of 12/23/2016. Names have been changed because the innocent must apparently be protected. Also, Conduit and Method haven't looked this over yet, so expect changes.


"Hiro"
Side: Neutral (character can be used in both light and dark battles)
Class: Support
Categories: Sith, Jedi
Kit:

Basic: Attack for physical damage. If the target has a buff that is increasing their Tenacity, dispel it and deal bonus physical damage. If "Maniac" is present, 50-100% chance to also apply "Primary Target".

"Primary Target": Debuff, cleansable, 1-4 round duration. If "Maniac" attacks a unit afflicted with Primary Target, he gains 15% TM and deals 20% more damage.

Special 1: Attack an enemy for special damage with a 50-100% chance to inflict a secondary effect. If that enemy is a support inflict Speed Down. If the target is already suffering from speed down, inflict Cripple and dispel Speed Down. If the target is a tank inflict DEF down. If the target is already suffering from DEF Down, inflict Shatter and dispel DEF Down. If the Target is an attacker inflict OFF Down. If the target is already suffering OFF Down, inflict Weak instead and dispel OFF Down. This ability has no cooldown.

Cripple: Debuff, cleansable, 1-2 round duration. Target has -75% Speed
Shatter: Debuff, cleansable, 1-2 round duration. Target has -75% Defense.
Weak: Debuff, cleansable, 1-2 round duration. Target has -75% Offence.

Special 2: Deal special damage to an enemy. If that enemy is currently taunting, switch the taunt to stealth for one turn. If the target is not taunting, cause them to Taunt for 1 turn, and if Maniac is present also apply Primary Target.

Unique1 : At the start of every turn, recover 2% of Hiro's maximum Health and Protection for every living Jedi ally. At the start of every turn, inflict one Damage Over Time effect for every living Sith ally to one random enemy unit.

Unique 2: For each ally that is defeated, Hiro gains +5-10% maximum Health and Protection.

Leader: Anytime an allied Jedi recovers health, they also recover 8-15% of Hiro's Maximum HP and gain bonus protection equal to 8-15% of Hiro's maximum protection. Anytime any enemy unit is defeated, Sith recover health equal to 8-15% of Hiro's maximum health and gain protection equal to 8-15% of Hiro's maximum protection. Whenever Maniac defeats any unit that is not a droid, he gains health equal to 15-25% of Hiro's maximum health and protection equal to 15-25% of Hiro's maximum protection.