Any squad that does not include the following characters is unable to pass categories x2 and above:
JM Mace Windu
Kellerman Beq
Jocasta Nu
Even with the best modules, the rest of the Jedi are not playable at x2 and above.
Yes, you need some key characters to have a well-performing raid team. And...? Do you have an actual point, or are you just salty that you can't reuse Luminara and Kit Fisto from the Naboo raid for an easy high score? The raid is solved, the information is freely available in SWGOH Discord communities. If you want to score well with JVs, you need the good JVs.
Yeah, I'm mad that unlike Naboo, where every Jedi relic could improve the final result, in the Order 66 raid, without the iconic Jedi listed in the first post, even with such high relics, the rest of the Jedi are useless trash. Although the developers wrote that they improved the raid compared to Naboo, in fact they ruined it by adding these trash characters who are not capable of closing the high tiers of the raid.
If those Jedi are really doing nothing, then that's a fair claim - however, I suspect poor modding and/or strategy are more at fault here than the usefulness of the characters themselves.
Specialised units like JMMM, Jocosta and Depa are obviously designed to perform better, but that doesn't mean the other Jedi are useless IF you mod and strategise well. However, I could be wrong.
If those Jedi are really doing nothing, then that's a fair claim - however, I suspect poor modding and/or strategy are more at fault here than the usefulness of the characters themselves.
Specialised units like JMMM, Jocosta and Depa are obviously designed to perform better, but that doesn't mean the other Jedi are useless IF you mod and strategise well. However, I could be wrong.
You forgot to add that your opinions are based off of watching YT videos and not first hand experience since your guild is still running the Endor raid.
Which is precisely why I said I could be wrong. However, when people complain about units being "bad" in an event, 99% of those complaints stem from poor modding/strategy. I highly doubt this is any different.
I can see in the game how much damage my characters do at each stage. If a squad of Kelleran + Jocasta + 3 Jedi can close any category, then a squad of 5 Jedi without Kelleran and Jocasta cannot close a category higher than x1.5.
Which is precisely why I said I could be wrong.
That's great, but it doesn't indicate that you have zero first hand experience with the raid. People unfamiliar with your posts might assume you speak from experience.
I fully agree with this analysis, but I disagree that it matters.
You can have all the Jedi Vanguard at relic 9 -- including JMMW, Jocasta, KB, Depa & TG -- and you can't complete a single tier of the inquisitor Assault Battle.
The Inq assault battle is not made to be played without Inquisitors.
The raid is not made to be played without specific characters.
The only difference is your perspective. You accept that you get no rewards from Assault Battles without relic'ing specific teams, but you do not accept that you get no/low rewards from the raid without relic'ing specific teams.
For your own happiness, I recommend acceptance. And if you need help with roster planning, modding or strategy, I'm happy to help via DMs or streaming. You probably don't need any (or don't want any), which is cool, but I just wanted to put that out there. I'm all for players having the happiest time playing that they can.
The experience in this case is numerous observations of players calling foul on overturning, when strategy is the issue.
I speak not from the perspective of the Raid, but from the perspective of “players should learn strategy before they complain they can’t do something.”
Before I had finished the DS clones, I spent a raid weekend whilst travelling trying to maximise my scores with my bit-part teams, after I’d submitted good scores with nuBB, KB, Jocasta +1 etc.
I could remod Sana, Hondo, Nest and 2 other crappy toons (JC and IGD I think) to get 450k relatively easily.
With nothing else to do whilst travelling, I remodded the remaining Jedi and tried for longer than is healthy to max the 600k tier. I am confident that this cannot be done, no matter what mods or strategy you use. I dropped to the 450k tier and eventually did get max score. I have never attempted to do that since.
So I agree with OP: Max score is not possible beyond the 450k tier with the “spare” Jedi.
I may not the best swgoh player in the world - but I know how the raid works and I know that I can mod 5 characters as well as anyone who plays the game.
If we’re putting quotes around things, “players who haven’t engaged with end-game content should be cautious about implying those who have don’t know what they’re talking about”.
Capital Games Team
