Krayt...Manual play and RNG...bad?

If you want to get the max score, you have to remod, then if you're lucky, it's 5 battles.

In the top guilds? Really?

Because at r7 and r8 the Tuskens get their max 1.8/2.7 quite easily. Mandos at r7 are the same, though I am not entirely sure about r8. But I only remod The Armorer and everyone else uses their base mods.

Jabba does max for me quite easily as long as Boba lands his debuffs when Krrs is swallowed. For me I get my max on the first try at least 4 times out of 5.

Now, this is talking about the highest relic'd teams, but you did say "Top Guilds".

If you're in a top guild, you're going to be expected to have r7 raid teams. And for those 3 teams to hit their max 95%+ 95%+ and 80%+ of the time, it requires remodding a total of one character.

Your other two teams either require more remodding or more attempts or both, but it's not all 5 teams that need remods and it's also not all 5 teams that require repeated attempts.

If you're in a top guild, it's not the repeats that get you. it's the amount of relic mats and Signal Data you're expected to spend.

Nah, it's mid guilds where things get bad. They want you to achieve a certain amount, but no one in the guild has 5x r7 squads, so you have maybe 1 team that gets the work done without repeats and the rest of your teams are much harder to make work.

I agree with OP and others that the raid has become tedious and is not fun. I like the option to discard or submit my score (as opposed to previously having to go into airplane mode), but the RNG factor is definitely annoying. Normally takes me several attempts with each team before I get my highest score, or get frustrated and just submit whatever it is.

"DarjeloSalas;c-2430749" wrote:

But I still find it difficult to motivate myself to do my runs most raids.

An old player who gets the 130m crate claims that it is difficult to motivate himself.

Imagine new players who get only the 2nd or the 3rd crate which are literary worse rewards than b4.

"bchased64;c-2432651" wrote:

"TVF;c-2430929" wrote:

Depending on the team you might need better mods (i.e. more potency).

If you aren't mod swapping that also could be an issue.

I don't know what game you're playing, but even mod swapping with the most perfect mods doesn't guarantee you a perfect score on the first attempt.

Surely it cuts down on the RNG though. I have one team that hits max score in one or two attempts when they're modded correctly, but if I try without remodding it's almost impossible. I think the point TVF was trying to make is that mods can help reduce the effects of RNG. It's certainly not a cure-all, but I don't think anyone is making that claim. But if someone is going to refuse to remod and then complain that there's too much RNG, that's at least partially their own fault.

Feel how you want to feel about Krayt - I'm not totally burnt on it but I'm also not going all out to hit max score on every run because my guild is a fair distance away from the next box - there's not enough benefit for the time investment I'd have to make. I can definitely see how people are getting tired of it though, and remodding IS a PITA (CG could do something to help with this if they wanted to) and has also started seriously cutting into my credit stash so I'm doing a lot less of it now. But the other side of that coin is, I'm not going to complain that my score is lower, nor that my personal rewards are less. It is what it is - I'm not going to willfully frustrate myself over and over on the altar of perfectionism, even though it does bug me a little to submit a score that's 50 or 100k short of max.

If your guild is demanding that of you, maybe you just need a more relaxed guild. I've had a couple of players transplant to my guild from more serious and demanding guilds and they seem pretty happy in spite of getting less rewards than they were before. Seedy is right - find the level of activity and performance that works for you to keep the game fun.

"Ghost666;c-2432787" wrote:

"Ratinira;c-2432567" wrote:
I would say for me remodding 4 teams for raid and from raid every 3 days is dropping desire to play it somewhere below 0 + rng is making a final headshot.
And for the guild in total more raids go on the more people have to be pushed "last hour" to reach 130 mln

AGAIN...this is the gist of the message. I can admit the intentions were good...the "abbility" to select best score was an apparent good idea. But it becomes a moot point if most players end up submitting "whatever" due to annoyance or boredom.
END RESULT needs a fix as player OVERALL frustration is increasing...and if next raid is the same, it will probably mean players wont even make the initial "investment". I did some investment in teams for this raid...i wont do it again if the boredom/annoyance are the same.
Good suggestion somewhere above...allow players to submit LAST SCORE. Then they can invest on good teams and good runs (which i believe is the objective) without the need to do it EVERY WEEK and LOTS of times.

The presence of the submit/discard buttons is not the problem though. If people don't want to keep trying, they don't have to. Having the buttons means that those people that do want to chase a perfect score don't have to do that in airplane mode. That's a gripe that's been around since the very first Rancor raid. Having those buttons is a fantastic QOL improvement. For those that don't want to take advantage of it, they don't have to - and they shouldn't if it's causing them frustration and leading to burn out. That's on the player though, that's not on CG.

"herd_nerfer;c-2432815" wrote:

"Ghost666;c-2432787" wrote:

"Ratinira;c-2432567" wrote:
I would say for me remodding 4 teams for raid and from raid every 3 days is dropping desire to play it somewhere below 0 + rng is making a final headshot.
And for the guild in total more raids go on the more people have to be pushed "last hour" to reach 130 mln

AGAIN...this is the gist of the message. I can admit the intentions were good...the "abbility" to select best score was an apparent good idea. But it becomes a moot point if most players end up submitting "whatever" due to annoyance or boredom.
END RESULT needs a fix as player OVERALL frustration is increasing...and if next raid is the same, it will probably mean players wont even make the initial "investment". I did some investment in teams for this raid...i wont do it again if the boredom/annoyance are the same.
Good suggestion somewhere above...allow players to submit LAST SCORE. Then they can invest on good teams and good runs (which i believe is the objective) without the need to do it EVERY WEEK and LOTS of times.

The presence of the submit/discard buttons is not the problem though. If people don't want to keep trying, they don't have to. Having the buttons means that those people that do want to chase a perfect score don't have to do that in airplane mode. That's a gripe that's been around since the very first Rancor raid. Having those buttons is a fantastic QOL improvement. For those that don't want to take advantage of it, they don't have to - and they shouldn't if it's causing them frustration and leading to burn out. That's on the player though, that's not on CG.

I don't think many people are complaining about the option to scrap a bad run, that is obviously a qol improvement. They are complaining about beating the raid 5+ times and then do it over and over with the same result every reset. It gets grinding and dull even at the minimum 5 top scores as you have seen some veterans pointing out in this thread

I completely agree with OP!
I can’t Stan this raid any more!
I get 4.5M every time:
1.8M Jabba
1.8M Maul+Mandos
2x 500k Jango+BH; JKR+others..

The rng is just insane..
It can take me 5 minutes, just like it can take me 2 hours..
There’s simply no skill involved; just rng..

I find it troubling that raids and TB no longer involve any skill, planning or tactics..

RotE is just about deployment and Operations, and Krayt is bewilderingly rng-based..

I miss the days of Geonosis TB, hSTR, or even cPit, when you could count on a certain outcome if you got your mods and tactics just right!!

The fact that Krayt is going to be replaced by the new GL Leia raid is of absolutely no comfort!!
This game is just turning into a stale collector’s race: all that matters is that you can purchase the latest toons fast enough while they can’t be farmed do you can stay ahead..

Even GAC is now divided between those who have LV+Reva, and those who don’t..
The former win, the latter stand no chance..

Krayt is a beautiful raid, and could be so great if it weren’t so closed off to only certain teams, and if it were more predictable..

I am so sick of these changes moving away from single-player fun..

"Starslayer;c-2432919" wrote:

"Ghost666;c-2431886" wrote:
Apparently similar issue...
https://forums.galaxy-of-heroes.starwars.ea.com/discussion/264821/endless-krayt-raiding-is-unsustainable#latest
I truly believe this raid has bad decisions...probably with good intentions behind...the chance to repeat was probably intended to aid players...but the "need" to play manually and the RNG are killing the fun...

I don’t see how RNG is killing the fun. No rng = no decisions while playing manually, you’d just press buttons in the same order everytime once you’ll get your mods right. Doing this twice a week would get really boring very fast.
Don’t retry a bunch of times, get lower rewards sometimes and enjoy the thrill of uncertainty.

What desicions do you make on Dragon based on RNG? I can see only 1: to restart or end up with lower rewards.
But can't say that this is a very fun desicion

"Starslayer;c-2432919" wrote:
I don’t see how RNG is killing the fun. No rng = no decisions while playing manually, you’d just press buttons in the same order everytime once you’ll get your mods right.

You answer your own question...there are no decisions...you play exactly the same, sometimes you get 150k, others you get 350k...no change in team, tactic or anything else...just RNG. If you want the 350k you need to replay the same thing several times...and this several times every week. (numbers may change as team gets better, but issue remains). I get you need to play ONCE well to get the 350k...but have to do it every raid is simply not fun.
AGAIN...not a protest...i keep playing, and have fun everywhere else...just a strong suggestion to change this...as i think the majority feels the same...

Look, whether you get crit or not, and thus how much damage you take, is random. This leads to decisions about which player to heal (or give immunity to, from BAM) that are different every run.

So do player decisions matter? Absolutely yes.

I also used to struggle to get close to max with Jabba. I was constantly getting between 1.50 and 1.75, with an occasional rare outlier maxing it out at 1.8 without me really understanding how I got there. It felt entirely RNG dependent.

What happened? I talked to my guild mates and based on conversations I remodded one toon an reprioritized certain abilities. Now it never takes me more than 2 tries to max out the Jabba squad and I get 1.8 on the first try a good 4 times out of 5.

Did the game suddenly have less RNG? Or did my play matter?

Obviously my play mattered. If you think it's all RNG, you're wrong. There are things you can do to maximize your chances of getting the score you want.

For the people who are frustrated, I hear you. I'm not saying you don't get to be frustrated. But for the people who are saying it's all RNG, that's just not the case. I wasn't playing the raid as well as I could, and I learned to do better. I'm not magical. I don't have some unique "get better at SWGOH" superpower. You can do it too, if that's what you want.

Of course, the game is a game. By definition if it's not fun, you should be changing how you play (or whether you play) to try to maximize the fun. Personally I blow off GAC b/c that's not where I get my fun in this game. It costs me crystals, but I'm still fine with that. It would cost me more crystals to completely burn out and quit.

If the Krayt raid is killing the fun and learning the raid better isn't what you want to do, that's fine. Don't do that. Do something else fun.

But I want you to know you have the option. The raid isn't all RNG or my scores would never have gotten better.