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- SimVelocity3 days agoSeasoned Veteran
Colonel Starck has only ever appeared in books and trading cards before SWGOH, and Sana Starros, Doctor Aphra, 0-0-0 and BT-1 only in comics so all media I'd assume was on the table. The only characters I would think to not be considered for SWGOH is anyone or ship appearing first in Lego, Visions or Fortnite, except for those that have since appeared in Canon like R0-GR, but ultimately it'd be up to CG to decide on whether they'd include those characters into the game.
- Gabe98765432103 days agoSeasoned Veteran
Actually, I didn't realize that she was in a book, so apologies for not knowing that - I only consume audiovisual Star Wars, and I think that's where the game should draw on for characters. I'm still a little disappointed that the clones care about gender, according to that book.
But I suppose it's more ok to bring her on then.
I do prefer them adding characters that are already in the AV space though, so that CG can do a proper and recognizable 3D model.
- SimVelocity3 days agoSeasoned Veteran
My view on what is Canon is based on what the rights holders (Lucasfilm / Disney) decree as such so warped is a pretty extreme view for you to describe it as.
Sister was introduced into Canon approximately 8 years after Disney declared all media bar the Original Trilogy, Prequel Trilogy, Clone Wars CGI series and the Darth Maul — Son of Dathomir comics were now relegated to the Legends continuity so I'm not sure where you're getting your sources from, champ. - emperor_ceasar3 days agoNew Hotshot
I believe you have a very warped view on what SW canon is sim. Although a quick google search might tell that a character from some book or comic is canon, that is more often than not, incorrect. Many of these characters from the old expanded universe, (mostly referred to now as “legends”) were considered canon during the late 2000’s and early 2010’s. However, beginning around the same time as TCW animated tv show, many of these characters that were created by sanctioned authors, were fazed out as more official media with less contradictions took their place. Unfortunately for you, this includes characters sister. sister was once considered fringe canon, but is no longer. sister is merely a legends character with no official backing, who only exists in headcanons.
- SimVelocity3 days agoSeasoned Veteran
I am against it because it is fan fiction. Just like I was and still am against Drogan.
Fan fiction applies when it was not sanctioned by the rights holders which both characters are so I'm sorry they don't align with your head canon.
I am not against the idea of a transgender clone, but
Ahh the I am not X, but Y
I am open to reading what you're saying with consideration, but I do not completely agree with it.As asexuals or pansexuals, do they care about what physical bits are attached to them if any?
If they were asexual then maybe. Pansexual is someone who is attracted to all genders (cis, trans, non-binary, agender) so that's on the other side of the spectrum and would imply they have some sexual attraction towards others.
but that may be a mistranslation from galactic basic to English
I fail to see how it's a "mistranslation" when being in English is meant to be for the viewer's benefit of understanding what's literally happening. We're not trying to interpret the meaning of passages in the Christian Bible and reading between the lines for our own satisfaction and morals.
There are obviously anomalies, as we have seen, so we could see a transgender clone at some point, but the implications of their existence, or rather the recognition of their existence, would have repercussions on the clone "culture" as a whole and what is "normal".
Lol what are you talking about? What repercussions? She's a fully functioning soldier of the Grand Army of the Republic who is able to follow the commands of her superiors without any hassle, just like Cody, Rex and Echo, all clone soldiers with their own unique personalities. Cut is more likely to cause repercussions for deserting the clone army and going against what he was intended to be, serving the Galactic Republic.
It is possible that "Sister" could become canon,
You're right, she is canon.
I get that you want to create representation in the art, I do, but I don't always support it. It just seems like forcing an Earth issue onto the Star Wars clone culture that doesn't reasonably care about that issue, and that writing has a tendency to pee off the fans.
That's literally what most of the original Star Wars films are, being inspired by real-world mythology, cultures and wars. Try not to be shocked that the ceremonial scene at the end of A New Hope was inspired by the German World War II propaganda film Triumph of the Will.
Ultimately, she is not canon and that is why I am against it.
You keep saying that she's "not canon" but I don't think it means what you think it means. I think what you mean is "In my personal opinion, she's not in my head canon despite being officially canon".
Honestly in the end, we can't base the social complexities of a science-fiction setting to how things are in the real-world but be inspired, especially in a universe when a concept called the Force exists. Star Wars is for everyone, not just you.
- Gabe98765432103 days agoSeasoned Veteran
I am against it because it is fan fiction. Just like I was and still am against Drogan.
I am not against the idea of a transgender clone, but I don't think it's up to fanfic or CG to introduce such a concept, because they may or may not exist in the Star Wars universe.
I would assume that clones are engineered to embrace only familial and selfless love and that they are likely pansexual if they have any sex drive at all or even genitals? We have seen no brothel activity or Spartan behavior. It seems like something that would be "beneficial" and cost effective to simply remove if you want a tactical rather than an aggressive soldier/slave.
As asexuals or pansexuals, do they care about what physical bits are attached to them if any? That would likely be seen as an vanity issue rather than a gender issue. Obsessive vanity issues are likely a risk to the troops, and would be removed or corrected. So, I don't think they would make a big deal of it and announce and feel strongly about not being a part of a particular gender, that no one cares about, and that may get you in trouble.
But what have we actually seen in the shows regarding clone gender? The clones do call each other brothers, but that may be a mistranslation from galactic basic to English - likely they mean sibling. They do have paintings of pretty girls (To Anakin's chagrin) on their drop ships, but perhaps they just didn't show us the ship that appreciates the beauty of Senator Bail Organa - so not necessarily gendered. For Cut and Suu, we don't know what kind of love that is with her and her children - there was a need and it was filled and loved. Seems pretty selfless to me. There does seem to be a preference for Twi'lek women, but that's universal, to their benefit and detriment, and not limited to species, gender or sexuality. The gendered "clones" that we have seen, Omega, Emerie and Boba, are not part of the general clone population or their culture as a whole and are not good counter examples - They are technically clones, but were raised differently.
There are obviously anomalies, as we have seen, so we could see a transgender clone at some point, but the implications of their existence, or rather the recognition of their existence, would have repercussions on the clone "culture" as a whole and what is "normal".
It is possible that "Sister" could become canon, but do we want to leave that up to a fanfic or CG? Perhaps a cisgender heterosexual clone would be the anomaly in an agender homosexual clone culture? We don't know. A kids show isn't going to show us that. Adding Sister may screw up that potential plot line. Or not. I don't know.
If it was just a normal biological humanoid culture that introduced a transgendered character and they had to struggle with their identity, that may be a valid story to tell. I get that you want to create representation in the art, I do, but I don't always support it. It just seems like forcing an Earth issue onto the Star Wars clone culture that doesn't reasonably care about that issue, and that writing has a tendency to pee off the fans. I also think in a world where you can have relations with actual aliens, most people probably wouldn't be so hung up on genders.
I may have missed or forgotten other clone aspects from the shows, and if I did feel, free to point it out.
Perhaps an HBO show to explore this concept further? I'd probably watch. I liked the old show Alien Nation that explored alien sexuality and gender roles (they have 3!)
Ultimately, she is not canon and that is why I am against it. The rest are just my random thoughts.
- SimVelocity6 days agoSeasoned Veteran
Well just adding to an existing thread is more viable then creating multiple threads about the same thing, also I'd only consider something to be necro if it hadn't received any attention in over a year or two. Ultimately, if they stop further comments from being added to the thread by locking or deleting it then we'll know 🤷♀️
At some point, bringing back this post is going to become a necro. I understand your logic is to keep something relevant so CG will take notice, but soon the only reason they’ll take notice is because you’re bringing back a six month old post.
- SimVelocity6 days agoSeasoned Veteran
But Disney didn't make an entire show based on the Disguised Clone Trooper, 50R-T or Captain Drogan. How do you explain that, champ?
And if arguing on a forum isn't going to do anything, why are you arguing on the forum against her inclusion, champ 😉 - SimVelocity7 days agoSeasoned Veteran
Just showing some care for Sister and her possible inclusion in the game.
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