The real balance problem is aoe debuffs

I agree honestly, the AOE debuffs and cleanses shouldn't be as powerful as single targeted ones. But it's a little too late to change that at this point, theres no chance of them reducing effectiveness of the AOE abilities on the characters everyone spent to hurriedly gear up. There's only a hope for them to increase the effectiveness of the single target ones, but at this point how do you make a single target cleanse more effective than a team cleanse? Is that even possible now with how useful Rex, GK, and Chirrut's cleanses are?

Good luck beating the triple clense teams without an AOE debuff.

I disagree about AOE debuffs being the balance problem.

There are countless toons that have AOE buff effects for the entire team. Why shouldn't we have a way to clear them with an AOE dispell?

"Mr_Sausage;c-1058813" wrote:
Good look beating the triple clense teams without an AOE debuff.

I disagree about AOE debuffs being the balance problem.

There are countless toons that have AOE buff effects for the entire team. Why shouldn't we have a way to clear them with an AOE dispell?

This. Triple cleaner/buffer teams are already out of whack. We don't need matters to be made worse

Edit: and I much prefer this buff/debuff/clean/dispell game than the old I shot first I win game we had

I think they could be a bit more conditional or limited to a chance of being inflicted, like EP

"Treadhead2017;c-1058754" wrote:
Ventress as well. Ventress can clear all buffs from the opposing team with 100% success, and will heal herself when she does it. Takes some doing to get her strong enough (and fast enough) to be worth it, but if you're up against a team with a lot of buffs (like Rex) Ventress can be your friend.

I don't think it is 100%, last time I checked it can be dodged

"Mr_Sausage;c-1058813" wrote:
Good luck beating the triple clense teams without an AOE debuff.

I disagree about AOE debuffs being the balance problem.

There are countless toons that have AOE buff effects for the entire team. Why shouldn't we have a way to clear them with an AOE dispell?

We're actually saying the same thing here - I just stated my case poorly.

So, because there are a few characters who have game altering aoe debuffs (daze, stun, ability block, etc), instead of strategy (which priority character should I stun?), it becomes "Get my Palp as fast as possible to group stun the other team".

From that came the "aoe friendly dispel" ability from characters such as GK, Chirrut, Rex. Suddenly, because so many 'meta' teams rely on aoe debuffs, these three characters make their way into top end groups, and now single target debuffs are almost laughably ineffective.

Put another way ... this is why the Phoenix Squad were dead on delivery. All their abilities, be they debuff or buff, are single target. Kanaan can single target remove debuffs from another character, which is pretty useless when the entire group is hit. Zeb can single target daze an enemy, which again is nice, but a far cry from "aoe Maul". All of these abilities, in an environment where aoe isn't so prevalent, are useful. But the way things are now ... why even bother?

The problem for me is that this is it, from now on. This is how things will be. Moving forward if a character doesn't have an aoe buff, debuff, or dispell, they better have a HUGE advantage elsewhere, or else why even bother?

Honestly, I would love to see any aoe ability, even dispels, only have a 50% max chance to succeed (ie. hit your group aoe and 2-3 characters will be affected on average), and any single target debuff have a 100% chance (before taking into account potency/tenacity).

Either that or fix tenacity so that it is possible to stack it and basically resist any debuff (even Nihilus!). Of course, by stacking so much tenacity, you'd be giving up crit chance, offense, speed, etc, so it becomes - do you resist everything, or hit hard and fast?

Just my two cents (of course, 2 cents Canadian is about 1 cent USD these days, so take it for what you will).

@Oda_Kosan_Awa

my god, agree. all these people complaining about chaze seems to have forgotten all about Wiggs domination last year. Where without an auto taunter, i just pray that Wiggs one shot a tank like RG. if not. the battle is essentially over after that first move.

that was absolutely absurd. Now, against chaze, my team at least has a fighting chance. a few good RNG rolls in the middle and i can pray my zKylo can emerge victorious in the end.

The solution? Decrease the individual success rate for aoe abilities.
The result? Less dependence on requiring a character with tenacity up and/or cleanse, just to be competitive.

So you want to nerf Sith/empire? Nerf their AOEs now, and I just pity them. Seems like rex gk and chaze are already here. There's no need to stomp on the empire/sith parade so that other squads (Wiggs, wink wink) can win again.

I loved droids and wiggs and all that. Back then a F2P could make a meta team in 2 months. People that got sith and empire all rolled up spent bank. The F2P are still working at it... and now you wanna nerf them? I rolled with droids, and they were turned to dust. I rolled with Wiggs and they were turned to dust. But heck, the gear and shard grind being what they are now.... I don't use Sith or Empire, but I am torn up with sympathy if they are nerfed.

"Juex777;c-1059321" wrote:
If I were to say what I thought the biggest imbalance is, it would be stats like tenacity, and speed and the like, especially on mods. Tenacity is mostly useless. Speed is king. Most stats don't mean very much. Defense for example has very little effect.

I agree tenacity is oddly worthless. But defense works fine. On a squad with healing it works fine. Heck, Plo is viable on my Rex/Chase squad. I'll put him in against squads without debuffers, and his defense up is brilliant. Back when RG was still one of my best arena toons, I modded him with defense secondaries, and he worked fine. I think they fixed defense when they tweaked armor last august. I.e. back when they killed JE droids.

"TheMegaSage;d-109274" wrote:

The solution? Decrease the individual success rate for aoe abilities.

Maul has already been flagged as having a bug which makes him land his debuffs with too high success rate.

Further more, you forgot a lot of toons on your list: Vader, Tarkin, B2, Phasma and probably even more.

Maul bug? Lol. Is that what they are calling it these days? The devs have no clue. The whole thing is a bug. Obi and maul and boba land debuffs all day beyond their potency. They cant debug their code.

Seems like ep, plo, sid, and host of others routinely land 0 to 3, but lots of toons other than maul are lighting up the debuffs like 4 or 5 the norm.