The Royal Guard + Rey combo has got to be addressed

"Tuftedpaper85;588525" wrote:
Rey is very balanced as she is

By what definition of balanced?

She is on, dare I say, nearly every arena team. There is a reason that most people have her on their squad and it is not because she is a balanced character. If that were true, then you would find someone else you could replace were with and have the same effectiveness. Tell me who you could replace Rey with and not have your team suffer.

I say this as someone who has a mature squad (40k power), but hasn't even farmed Rey yet. I can tell you that she is far from a required character, but is overpowered. This is what has led to the stale meta we have where way too many teams are a variation of Rey-RG-QGJ +2; If she were balanced, we would see more variety in the arena.

"Gank_Killer;611081" wrote:

"ThewhiteonE;610454" wrote:
Hahahah!

/ignore

must have been hard hitting refresh until no teams with Rey showed up, much respect.

He probably needed to hit it once or twice, but you have to remember different shards have different metas. My shard has a lot of Droid teams and Phasma leads with stunners, typically combined with characters that call in follow ups.

So droids and stunners are the meta teams I deal with everyday, Rey teams are actually easier to deal with than getting half your team stunned before you can deal any real damage.

My real issue with Rey is when she gets all health mods. That's when she becomes ridiculous...

IMO
Rey: If she'still going to have Foresight, it should be linked to Focused Strikes, not her basic attack! Honestly, with her level of damage, Foresight (for 2 turns?) might do better to be dropped all together. 1 hit ko's & guaranteed dodge, withe self heal... too unbalanced.
The fact that so many of you are proposing to "just" fight Rey with Rey, problem solved... is proof enough that she's far too OP and needs to get balanced.
Grraauuggh has a good point too!

RG: If/when Rey gets balanced RG isn't really a problem. With debuffs, Def buffs, group attacks, stuns, & just focusing all attacks on RG he's a well balanced character. Especially, when you consider how long it takes to build him up. The real issue with that combo is all Rey!

Droids: Overall, droids need to be hyper sensitive to stun. They're robots with exposed circuitry. Duh!
The IG's and B2 should be slower, let's face it, they're heavy battle droids. Since when do heavy artillery move fast?
The others seem balanced to me.

Address these issues and the Rey issue is over.

"Fury0Jahi;613028" wrote:
IMO
Rey: If she'still going to have Foresight, it should be linked to Focused Strikes, not her basic attack! Honestly, with her level of damage, Foresight (for 2 turns?) might do better to be dropped all together. 1 hit ko's & guaranteed dodge, withe self heal... too unbalanced.
The fact that so many of you are proposing to "just" fight Rey with Rey, problem solved... is proof enough that she's far too OP and needs to get balanced.
Grraauuggh has a good point too!

RG: If/when Rey gets balanced RG isn't really a problem. With debuffs, Def buffs, group attacks, stuns, & just focusing all attacks on RG he's a well balanced character. Especially, when you consider how long it takes to build him up. The real issue with that combo is all Rey!

Droids: Overall, droids need to be hyper sensitive to stun. They're robots with exposed circuitry. Duh!
The IG's and B2 should be slower, let's face it, they're heavy battle droids. Since when do heavy artillery move fast?
The others seem balanced to me.

Address these issues and the Rey issue is over.

The Rey issue should be over with the new armor boost, if it's still a problem for your team, then throw on a mod defense set. It's only a two piece set so it shouldn't really mess up whatever your current sets are by a large degree. Also the droids are already slow, the problem is HK-47's omega leader ability gives them 50% turn meter on a crit and all but IG-86 has an AoE, so all they need to do is crit two people and they go again.

Rey is fixed as best she can be and the reason for this, is that her best attack the four hit combo is four attacks and each of them get their damage reduced by armor, this also reduces Dooku's overall damage because both his attacks are getting further decreased. Over all multi hit characters suffered the most with the armor fix.

Droids on the other hand will be a much harder thing to fix, rather than fixing Rey by simply fixing a bug with how strength calculated armor. The Droid problem goes much farther than armor or damage, its a problem with turn meter gain, which has to be handled very carefully or else Droids will go from one of the best teams to not even usable. Which is the last thing they or any of us want.

"War;614174" wrote:

"Fury0Jahi;613028" wrote:
IMO
Rey: If she'still going to have Foresight, it should be linked to Focused Strikes, not her basic attack! Honestly, with her level of damage, Foresight (for 2 turns?) might do better to be dropped all together. 1 hit ko's & guaranteed dodge, withe self heal... too unbalanced.
The fact that so many of you are proposing to "just" fight Rey with Rey, problem solved... is proof enough that she's far too OP and needs to get balanced.
Grraauuggh has a good point too!

RG: If/when Rey gets balanced RG isn't really a problem. With debuffs, Def buffs, group attacks, stuns, & just focusing all attacks on RG he's a well balanced character. Especially, when you consider how long it takes to build him up. The real issue with that combo is all Rey!

Droids: Overall, droids need to be hyper sensitive to stun. They're robots with exposed circuitry. Duh!
The IG's and B2 should be slower, let's face it, they're heavy battle droids. Since when do heavy artillery move fast?
The others seem balanced to me.

Address these issues and the Rey issue is over.

The Rey issue should be over with the new armor boost, if it's still a problem for your team, then throw on a mod defense set. It's only a two piece set so it shouldn't really mess up whatever your current sets are by a large degree. Also the droids are already slow, the problem is HK-47's omega leader ability gives them 50% turn meter on a crit and all but IG-86 has an AoE, so all they need to do is crit two people and they go again.

Rey is fixed as best she can be and the reason for this, is that her best attack the four hit combo is four attacks and each of them get their damage reduced by armor, this also reduces Dooku's overall damage because both his attacks are getting further decreased. Over all multi hit characters suffered the most with the armor fix.

Droids on the other hand will be a much harder thing to fix, rather than fixing Rey by simply fixing a bug with how strength calculated armor. The Droid problem goes much farther than armor or damage, its a problem with turn meter gain, which has to be handled very carefully or else Droids will go from one of the best teams to not even usable. Which is the last thing they or any of us want.

Basic lore and logic if you've followed the franchise, would have Rey using Foresight occasionally. Not as a standard. She has a long way until she's at Yoda's level.

Her main issue is Foresight on her basic attack.

Any player who dominates an entire team whose fully modded with defense mods & bonus, 6 & 7 stars, lvl 8 gear & lvls 76-78 across the board.. is clearly OP. If you can't KO her in the first string of attacks you're pretty much guaranteed to lose. All bc of 1 character. This = OP!

First off I have followed the franchise and not just the movies, shows, and games either, I've delved pretty deep into the EU and love it all. And I've also come to accept that games never truly reflect the lore, with Rey they didn't have much to work with, so they used her as if she was a fighter on Jakku, and went with lots of dodging and speed. I do think they over did her damage output, but not enough to be OP.

But I also think there's something wrong with your team and doubt that they're as you described. Level 76+, gear 8, defense modded toons dying to Rey as you describe does not seem right. Did you manage to get yourself up in the ranks where your fighting gear 10 Reys? Is your team really as modded as you claim? Are they all glass cannons? Something is wrong and it's not just Rey. I'm not losing just because Rey is in the enemy team, its usually a combination of Old Ben granting her turn meter gain on dodging or Dooku giving her offense up on her dodges, but it's never just Rey.

If you don't mind could you maybe post the details on your team; characters, levels, gear levels, mod sets. Just so I can maybe figure out why your team would lose so bad to a team with Rey. And if Rey really is your bane, try pressing refresh on the arena page until you either get a team without Rey or a team with Rey but around your own teams power level.

"Tuftedpaper85;588525" wrote:
I'm tired of seeing these nerf Rey threads. She provides no utility to the team and has a weak health pool. Droids together cause as much damage as Rey while getting 50% tm boosts under an HK lead and always moving first thanks to JE. Geo Spy has a special that causes 40% extra damage for each buff/debuff that they and the character they're attacking have. Someone posted a video on here of him critting for 48k earlier this week.

Rey is very balanced as she is, and she's a very welcome toon to have when you come up on the modded 80k health +protection RG/Hans/Sun Facs that are out there.

If rey is guatded by rg autotaunt she cant be killed as first char. Period. And if she can one shot full hp+prot any char,its extremly hard to counter it.
Combined with speed boosg which allow her to one shot two chars even before you get to first attack, it is imposible to win at all.

"War;614229" wrote:
First off I have followed the franchise and not just the movies, shows, and games either, I've delved pretty deep into the EU and love it all. And I've also come to accept that games never truly reflect the lore, with Rey they didn't have much to work with, so they used her as if she was a fighter on Jakku, and went with lots of dodging and speed. I do think they over did her damage output, but not enough to be OP.

But I also think there's something wrong with your team and doubt that they're as you described. Level 76+, gear 8, defense modded toons dying to Rey as you describe does not seem right. Did you manage to get yourself up in the ranks where your fighting gear 10 Reys? Is your team really as modded as you claim? Are they all glass cannons? Something is wrong and it's not just Rey. I'm not losing just because Rey is in the enemy team, its usually a combination of Old Ben granting her turn meter gain on dodging or Dooku giving her offense up on her dodges, but it's never just Rey.

If you don't mind could you maybe post the details on your team; characters, levels, gear levels, mod sets. Just so I can maybe figure out why your team would lose so bad to a team with Rey. And if Rey really is your bane, try pressing refresh on the arena page until you either get a team without Rey or a team with Rey but around your own teams power level.

I see you totally ignored my main point towards Rey: Foresight on her basic attack needs to change.

As far as nit picking at my setup, I feel your getting distracted from the point. Any character who can face any squad of characters with the builds I put forth, obviously needs to get balanced.

She's no Yoda on any level so far, and therefore should have Foresight moved to a Unique attack, I think Focused Strikes (they just fit well together), or dropped entirely. She really doesn't need Foresight. She's plenty powerful enough without it. End of story IMO

"BradGoodyear;615796" wrote:
Here is the solution to make REY/RG combo still effective but not broken.

Give the Auto-taunt on RG a cooldown. Once he auto taunts, he must take 3 full turns before it can trigger again.

Then Rey can hide behind him, but you won't have to keep dealing with him as rey self heals just over the threshold, and allows you to work the other toons instead of RG being a perma-taunt.

Three turns is far too long, he's a tank so let him taunt. Although if you want to balance that out be letting him taunt for two turns instead just one, then sure maybe. After all Chewbacca taunts for two turns and has a three round cool down. Although I'm guessing most people would only want one turn of trying to kill him to get to Rey.

And if you think the problem is her healing over the threshold then how about reducing her health steal stat, that way you need to actually heal her with another character to take advantage of RG's auto taunt a second time. Or we could just not nerf either one of them, because the devs aren't going to look at this thread and decide to nerf just one, it'll be both of them or none of them. And I'm voting neither of them.