Thermal Detonator rework idea

"Boreas;c-1148554" wrote:
Mob Enforcer rework?

more like greedo, jawa faction, gunray rework :)

i know.

A thermal detonator could do damage to the target, and then additional damage to others depending on how much damage that character took.

Two options to solve the debuff problem:
a) The detonators go off when you cleanse them, for additional (very high) damage. This would create a solution to triple cleanse, as now detonators are actually a form of protecting your other debuffs.
b) Detonators do not follow the normal cleanse rules.

I prefer solution A as it would help create a more rock/paper/scissors meta and might even solve a number of problems.

"Vohbo;c-1148558" wrote:
A thermal detonator could do damage to the target, and then additional damage to others depending on how much damage that character took.

Two options to solve the debuff problem:
a) The detonators go off when you cleanse them, for additional (very high) damage. This would create a solution to triple cleanse, as now detonators are actually a form of protecting your other debuffs.
b) Detonators do not follow the normal cleanse rules.

I prefer solution A as it would help create a more rock/paper/scissors meta and might even solve a number of problems.

Possible solution as well.
I wanted the above because if droideka arrives, he should hav high protection and very low health. And as we all know, thermal detonators were the key to neturalize droidekas

Combine them. Thermal detonators ignore protection and still deal damage if cleansed, esssentially have cleansing just activate them imstantly. Would have to be fairly low damage if they ignore prot though as its possible to stack loads of them.

I'd also get rid of the tenacity check and make them a flat % chance, unresistable. Tenacity up would have no effect and you couldn't just stack potency for mad stacks.

People would probably just cry about AI commiting suicide all the time though unless they coded that there had to be other debuffs on too before cleansing. But it could aid in the downfall of the tripple cleanse.

"Nesh;c-1148565" wrote:
Combine them. Thermal detonators ignore protection and still deal damage if cleansed, esssentially have cleansing just activate them imstantly. Would have to be fairly low damage if they ignore prot though as its possible to stack loads of them.

I'd also get rid of the tenacity check and make them a flat % chance, unresistable. Tenacity up would have no effect and you couldn't just stack potency for mad stacks.

People would probably just cry about AI commiting suicide all the time though unless they coded that there had to be other debuffs on too before cleansing. But it could aid in the downfall of the tripple cleanse.

Against all roumors thermal detonators ARE one of the deadliest weapons fit in your hand.
And it is a good idea that they shouldnt be resisted.
Maybe they should just ignore cleanse completely.
TD shouldnt be just a buff anyways. TD is usually a thing that you cant do anithing against.:)
Look what they did in SW Battlefront...

"Wai;c-1148618" wrote:
How about thermal detonators can prevent your opponent to clean other debuffs before clean those detonators. For example, you inflict both of thermal detonators and offense down on your opponent, the cleansers only can clear the detonators first; in order to clear other debuff, offense down in next round.

creative idea, i like it.
However, i think it differs from the original nature of thermal detonators.

However, It could be a new debuff, called like: 'disorganization' or something else, which would lock the current debuffs on enemies as long as they have 'disorganization' on them.
so if someone has a offense down for 1 turn and a dot for 2 turns and he gain disorganization for 3 turns, then both debuffs get locked and cannot expire or be cleansed as long as they have 'disorganization'
but if other debuffs are applied after a toon already has disorganization it isnt locked on him, and can be cleansed.
so you would have to apply disorganization to enemies who already have debuffs otherwise it has no effect.
Thanks for the idea!

Remember the synergy with Zam when considering this. It could make her OP

Link thermal detonators to the character that uses them. If a td blows in 2 turns, make it 2 turns of the toon that uses it. Plus, I like the idea of not clensing them.

"First_but_66_Order;d-118316" wrote:
IMO the Thermal detonator debuff has been useless since the game came out and especially since cleansers became so popular.
What i would suggest a rework on its effect.
currently it deals damage based on the toon which applied on the enemy. And then after a specific cooldown it detonates.
I would change to sth lke:
Deals special damage after a specific number of turns ignoring protection and maybe armor as well.

In this case thermal detonators would get the important role to damage enemies health at the begining of the battle when they still have protection.
This would be effective against toons with high protection recharging abilities. Meanwhile the uselessnes against cleansers wouldnt really change.

how about:

Thermal Detonator: after x turns deal damage to unit equal to 50% Max health. This attack ignores protection and cannot be dispelled. Effect is removed if unit is damaged 10 times before trigger.