the TW matchmaking is a problem. a lot of guilds exploits this matchmaking, sandbagging, going with less players, and enjoy easier fights. it shouldn't happen.I'm not sure if you are now realizing that there's a problem (cause in one Q&A I saw that one of your devs don't understand what's the problem..) so I'll explain:a guild of 300M GP, has a few not sign up, they go with active GP of 260-270M, and face a guild with 260-270M GP.the guild with 300M GP have fewer players, but it doesn't matter, they have much much more mods, relics, and super top teams like GL Rey/Kylo. A HUGE advantage to the 300M guild with fewer players. so when will you fix the sandbagging issue? there are many solutions for it.. you can:- Create more brackets and "punish sandbaggers" that go lower bracket- you can make it mandatory for all 50 (maybe not so good idea, but will increase competitiveness)- you can change the matchmaking to prioritize number of players also... guild of 300M that sandbagged 10 people to 240M, won't face 240M guild, but face a guild with 9-11 missing players, at 295-305M Gp. it will create much more even matchups, and won't punish anyone actually.- you can make the zones still 25 even if a guild comes with 40, and that might help a bit to the weaker guild, cause the sandbaggers need to place more on def.- you can, but you won't do, make the rewards much better and worth joining.

Keeping it at 25 squads per zone no matter what and having more zones at the top tier will help. It's too easy to clear the board

Don’t find it a problem anymore cause it usually switches around . Plus how do you know they keep people out ? We had 7 not join due to life issues and as a result went down a bracket when we rather have competed for 1st in a higher bracket and a easy to clear board means your guild must work on efficiency, this led to more co operation from our guild than mindlessly throwing teams at them.

Let try to keep this on topic.I removed a few references to any intent or nefarious activity. As others have said in other posts on the topic, let's not focus on how to guilds get to equal active GP but different numbers of players.Once they are there:-do you think its fair?- should it change?- what's wrong with it? - ..... and so onLet's stay on the topic of matchmaking in this scenario, not how we reached the initial point, as not everyone plays the same way, or has any intention on being mismatched

Galactic legends: our guild 1GLR 4SLK vs 22GLR 15SLKOur guild 48 people vs 40 (from what I saw most common in sandbagging) in opponent guild.When You have rotation set for 40 people, every guild member plays 4 TW and pause 1 - outcome per person: you win them all, you have more Zeta materials than from 5 loses and no morale problem in the guild. And of course as a bonus: bragging rights how awesome guild you have. It’s most common in highest reward bracket with guilds that have enough GP to stay in highest bracket with only 40 people participating. I can’t believe that developer can’t track that behavior- just look for guilds that have all the time around 40 out of 50 people participating. Guilds playing the system are taking away all fun from TW :(

Maybe tier it like gac. I know that depending on what gp signs up you get tiered, but that doesn’t equal close matchups. Have the tiers set what guilds can be matched up based on overall gp then use the tw tiers to separate those guilds out and match them up. You’ll be matched up against a similar guild based on the initial tiering and won’t run into as many totally unfair matchups

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60 Replies

Lochaber1984
5 years ago
Keeping it at 25 squads per zone no matter what and having more zones at the top tier will help.

It's too easy to clear the board
Tezza23
New Vanguard
5 years ago
Don’t find it a problem anymore cause it usually switches around . Plus how do you know they keep people out ? We had 7 not join due to life issues and as a result went down a bracket when we rather have competed for 1st in a higher bracket and a easy to clear board means your guild must work on efficiency, this led to more co operation from our guild than mindlessly throwing teams at them.
NyKynoe
5 years ago
Let try to keep this on topic.

I removed a few references to any intent or nefarious activity.

As others have said in other posts on the topic, let's not focus on how to guilds get to equal active GP but different numbers of players.

Once they are there:
-do you think its fair?
- should it change?
- what's wrong with it?
- ..... and so on

Let's stay on the topic of matchmaking in this scenario, not how we reached the initial point, as not everyone plays the same way, or has any intention on being mismatched
Kudlaty5833
Rising Adventurer
5 years ago

Galactic legends: our guild 1GLR 4SLK vs 22GLR 15SLK
Our guild 48 people vs 40 (from what I saw most common in sandbagging) in opponent guild.
When You have rotation set for 40 people, every guild member plays 4 TW and pause 1 - outcome per person: you win them all, you have more Zeta materials than from 5 loses and no morale problem in the guild. And of course as a bonus: bragging rights how awesome guild you have. It’s most common in highest reward bracket with guilds that have enough GP to stay in highest bracket with only 40 people participating. I can’t believe that developer can’t track that behavior- just look for guilds that have all the time around 40 out of 50 people participating. Guilds playing the system are taking away all fun from TW :(
abc937636289
5 years ago
Maybe tier it like gac. I know that depending on what gp signs up you get tiered, but that doesn’t equal close matchups. Have the tiers set what guilds can be matched up based on overall gp then use the tw tiers to separate those guilds out and match them up. You’ll be matched up against a similar guild based on the initial tiering and won’t run into as many totally unfair matchups
SidPika
5 years ago
"Tezza23;c-2114966" wrote:
Don’t find it a problem anymore cause it usually switches around . Plus how do you know they keep people out ? We had 7 not join due to life issues and as a result went down a bracket when we rather have competed for 1st in a higher bracket and a easy to clear board means your guild must work on efficiency, this led to more co operation from our guild than mindlessly throwing teams at them.

doesn't matter your specific case. and if you have 7 not join once, one of the suggestion si that you'll face guild at your level with 7 people out also. or something close.
whats the problem with that ? you afraid of an even matchup?
its not usually switch around, there are guilds that do it regularly to keep win TWs.
Alpha, Global Force, Bravehearts are the obvious examples.
check at the leaderboard: Alpha at #13, with 1,083,000,000 GP defeated, and their GP is 320M. that means that on Average, they are sandbagging 50M per TW. they are beating 270M GP, 4 times. its INSANE. its auto win for them, and it give no chance and no fun to the opponent guild. the difference between 270M go and 320M in rosters, mods and GL is huge.
for example, My guild (TheBigChewbowski) is at #8, with 1,123,000,000 GP defeated, and our GP this month was 280M+-. we beat around 280M 4 times, cause we go with 50 usually - and we also had 1 TW when we had 1 missing player this month.
check kudalty picture. look at the Mods, the Relic difference. the sandbagging is a huge problem, I offered lot of solutions that will help it. if some people in your guild cant participate - it wont hurt your guild - it will make it EVEN, instead of having advantage.
sandbagging need to be stopped so matchups will be even
NicWester
5 years ago
Sandbagging takes a boring and stale part of the game and makes it even worse.
Sewpot
5 years ago
What is a guild has only 40 members but 10 alts. The alts are just to farm raid tickets. Then what??? You want those alts in TW if they are super weak.
SidPika
5 years ago
"Sewpot;c-2115027" wrote:
What is a guild has only 40 members but 10 alts. The alts are just to farm raid tickets. Then what??? You want those alts in TW if they are super weak.

This is why I suggesting a solution - that will make the matchups even / make sandbagging not worth it.
you have 10 alts, you don't join them, fine. you face a guild with kinda same situation, that have 10 people not joining. the better guild wins - and no one has advantage over the other.
Kudlaty5833
Rising Adventurer
5 years ago
"Sewpot;c-2115027" wrote:
What is a guild has only 40 members but 10 alts. The alts are just to farm raid tickets. Then what??? You want those alts in TW if they are super weak.

Please look at the screen I’ve attached to my earlier post. You want to tell me that guild on the right have only 40 regular players that joined TW and 10 weak alts that didn’t join? Then matchmaking is even more off in that case ;) To be perfectly clear I don’t want to push people into joining TW - for example in our guild TW isn’t mandatory because life happens sometimes. Idea is to match guilds first for similar (or close, for example +/-1 or 2) count of participating people and then within this group match for GP/Inventory or whatever they see important for fair fight. Or add more reward tiers that would not allow significant sandbagging without dropping to lower reward tier.