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7 years ago

Why change zFinn?

So Crumb, you guys are having issues coming up with a solution for zFinn solo'ing P3 of the Sith Raid? (though an argument could be made whether or not there is a problem in the first place) after t...
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"NerfHerder653;c-1749784" wrote:
Yeah except zfinn has always caused somewhat of a endless loop in other areas, like Tb or even arena against a lot of teams. I’m not seeing the problem. Plus the only thing they care about is their precious sith raid, if it didn’t allow for a p3 solo there would be no change.....nerf traya


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This also just kills motivation to build teams to do hsith. Like no one wants to do dozens of restarts just to get a good run with 1 team yet the devs are nerf hammer happy against any new team that can consistently do better than the teams that are suboptimal* but the best we could do at the time. Part of the excitement with new toons is them allowing for teams better than what we had yet the devs seem hell bent on this idea that they should only be fractionally better than teams at release.

*i dont consider a team that requires restart after restart for reasons unrelated to user error or rng going completely south on youto be an optimal team. Optimal teams are ones where you'll get a good result regardless of whether rng aligns to give you ideal conditions or a mixed bag.

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change zFinn?","id":"message:4205590","revisionNum":1,"repliesCount":139,"author":{"__ref":"User:user:3388"},"depth":0,"hasGivenKudo":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:swgoh-general-discussion-en"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:4205590"},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:4205590"},"body@stripHtml({\"truncateLength\":200})":"So Crumb, you guys are having issues coming up with a solution for zFinn solo'ing P3 of the Sith Raid? (though an argument could be made whether or not there is a problem in the first place) after t...","body@stringLength":"945","rawBody":"So Crumb, you guys are having issues coming up with a solution for zFinn solo'ing P3 of the Sith Raid? (though an argument could be made whether or not there is a problem in the first place)
after testing and reviewing its impact, we ultimately don’t feel this solution was good enough. In short, it wasn’t the clean solution we were looking for so we are continuing to investigate a change that should handle this issue as positively as possible.


Man, if only a bunch of people on this forum offered up easy solutions that would take 5 minutes to code, changing P3 Traya. What a perfect fix!
Instead, CG is going to mess with zFinn, which will inevitably break something else, then they'll backpedal, and eventually come up with the solution we were all telling them to implement from the beginning, and we continue the same cycle we've been repeating for 3 freaking years now.
Can't wait...","kudosSumWeight":1,"postTime":"2019-01-11T20:41:14.000-08:00","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"tags":{"__typename":"TagConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[{"__typename":"TagEdge","cursor":"MjUuMnwyLjF8b3wxMHxfTlZffDE","node":{"__typename":"Tag","id":"tag:raids","text":"raids","time":"2016-04-29T01:08:49.000-07:00","lastActivityTime":null,"messagesCount":null,"followersCount":null}}]},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:4205590_1"},"latestVersion":null,"metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":8631},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","canonicalUrl":null,"seoTitle":null,"seoDescription":null,"isEscalated":null,"placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}},"archivalData":null,"customFields":[],"body":"So Crumb, you guys are having issues coming up with a solution for zFinn solo'ing P3 of the Sith Raid? (though an argument could be made whether or not there is a problem in the first place)
after testing and reviewing its impact, we ultimately don’t feel this solution was good enough. In short, it wasn’t the clean solution we were looking for so we are continuing to investigate a change that should handle this issue as positively as possible.


Man, if only a bunch of people on this forum offered up easy solutions that would take 5 minutes to code, changing P3 Traya. What a perfect fix!
Instead, CG is going to mess with zFinn, which will inevitably break something else, then they'll backpedal, and eventually come up with the solution we were all telling them to implement from the beginning, and we continue the same cycle we've been repeating for 3 freaking years now.
Can't wait..."},"Conversation:conversation:4205590":{"__typename":"Conversation","id":"conversation:4205590","solved":false,"topic":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:4205590"},"lastPostingActivityTime":"2019-01-18T15:12:58.000-08:00","lastPostTime":"2019-01-18T15:12:58.000-08:00","unreadReplyCount":139,"isSubscribed":false},"ModerationData:moderation_data:4205590":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:4205590","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"Revision:revision:4205590_1":{"__typename":"Revision","id":"revision:4205590_1","lastEditTime":"2019-01-11T20:41:14.000-08:00"},"ForumReplyMessage:message:4205626":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","id":"message:4205626","conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:4205590"},"author":{"__ref":"User:user:58348"},"revisionNum":1,"uid":4205626,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:swgoh-general-discussion-en"},"subject":"Re: Why change zFinn?","readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:4205626"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:4205590"},"body":"
\"NerfHerder653;c-1749784\" wrote:
Yeah except zfinn has always caused somewhat of a endless loop in other areas, like Tb or even arena against a lot of teams. I’m not seeing the problem. Plus the only thing they care about is their precious sith raid, if it didn’t allow for a p3 solo there would be no change.....nerf traya


+1

This also just kills motivation to build teams to do hsith. Like no one wants to do dozens of restarts just to get a good run with 1 team yet the devs are nerf hammer happy against any new team that can consistently do better than the teams that are suboptimal* but the best we could do at the time. Part of the excitement with new toons is them allowing for teams better than what we had yet the devs seem hell bent on this idea that they should only be fractionally better than teams at release.

*i dont consider a team that requires restart after restart for reasons unrelated to user error or rng going completely south on youto be an optimal team. Optimal teams are ones where you'll get a good result regardless of whether rng aligns to give you ideal conditions or a mixed bag.","body@stringLength":"1175","rawBody":"
\"NerfHerder653;c-1749784\" wrote:
Yeah except zfinn has always caused somewhat of a endless loop in other areas, like Tb or even arena against a lot of teams. I’m not seeing the problem. Plus the only thing they care about is their precious sith raid, if it didn’t allow for a p3 solo there would be no change.....nerf traya


+1

This also just kills motivation to build teams to do hsith. Like no one wants to do dozens of restarts just to get a good run with 1 team yet the devs are nerf hammer happy against any new team that can consistently do better than the teams that are suboptimal* but the best we could do at the time. Part of the excitement with new toons is them allowing for teams better than what we had yet the devs seem hell bent on this idea that they should only be fractionally better than teams at release.

*i dont consider a team that requires restart after restart for reasons unrelated to user error or rng going completely south on youto be an optimal team. 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