I know this is gonna sound absurd to some people.. Why is it that opponents seem to move so quickly and fluently but it feels like I'm stuck in quicksand? How do they catch up to you so quickly when you pull out every trick in the book to get away from danger? It's like they didn't even try, but suddenly they're right next to you. And I'm not talking super level pred movement on their side either, I just feel slower than my opponent at times. I'm not talking about network / ping / packet loss / server issues. This feels different. It feels like this is almost being done intentionally to give certain players the upper hand over you for a while. Almost as if the game pre decides when you win / lose.Sometimes this will pass after a while and the game just feels so effortless then. Do you think there is a buit in mechanism in the game to try and level the playing field at times aside from sbmm?

@Sand_spitter if you dig deep in my account here you will find several posts talking about the same exact thing"I'm not talking about network / ping / packet loss / server issues. This feels different.It feels like this is almost being done intentionally to give certain players the upper hand over you for a while. Almost as if the game pre decides when you win / lose"I have said the same thing and described the same issue but in different words, I had a video of a Wattson who was moving like bloodhound with his ult active, I talked about how come that a lot of time when I hit my killing shot right in the head with the highest damage weapon in this game it doesn't register , even worse in some cases I had a half mag of an auto weapon don't register.but I never got a single reply to any of my posts so am surprised that you got attention for yours.I totally support what you said and I understand what you are saying completely , but take my advice......don't waste your time as there is not use.everyone will start to tell you " post a video, post any evidence "but eventually, even if you post a hundred video there will be a lot of excuses that can be used to prove you wrongyou have a lot of replies down there that already trying to make look like your imagining things but am sure you are not because I suffer from the same problem and that the main reason I just lost the well to play this game but who the heck cares, you and I are just two out of millions of customers and a lot of them are making huge money out of this game.the solution is to forget it and move on for your own sanity

On Thursday I think I had a lot of shots not register, emptied a whole clip from a Volt into a Caustic and it was as if nothing happened. I could specifically see that only about 1/3 of my shots registered. He shrugged it off and downed me like nothing. In a later game the same day the same thing happened while shooting at a Revenant. I just stopped using the Volt after that.. Well yes, to some extent I have experienced some of it. Sometimes it feels like I'm slowed down in CQC but the other team seems to be all over the place. And I sometimes wonder, you know those games where you just rip through a squad like it was nothing? Could it be that at that moment that squad was experiencing this exact same thing? So, makes you wonder, if that is true, how big of a role does your skill really play in the game? Did I win by merit or was it designed for me to win? As for the loot, people will say it's just part of RNG. I'm not so sure that's the whole story. The other day I was losing match after match and couldn't even get a kill. The next match on drop I open a door and lo and behold there's golden armor, a r99 with a blue mag with a flatline I believe lying next to it, just waiting for me. The lobby was also considerably easier. So there's that... I can't be sure but it does sometimes feel like loot will spawn to my benefit or demise. The hardest lobbies will typically have the worst loot. It's random most of the time but every so often I wonder.

@Sand_spitter I'm sure there's no such a thing, I do feel like it sometimes, it's just your anxiety, some legends do have an advantage on movement over you with their abilities. Even sometimes I slide too soon without having enough momentum. Also, heavy ammo slows you down...

Thanks for your reply. I do see where you are coming from. We know that the servers for Apex aren't the best, we know things like ping / packet loss / line stability / jitter can mess with gameplay. But if nothing changed on my side that could potentially affect me negatively why is my experience with general things like movement so bad at times? And I'm not talking about a game or two, this can last for a couple of matches to hours to days at a time. Switching servers doesn't help when this happens. In game ping is stable throughout.Sometimes I can feel it improving slowly to the point where the next match everything feels super responsive and sharp. And that's when I realize how other people rack up such high kill counts and wins, the game literally becomes easier. Effortless almost.It made me wonder if some players are purposely given an advantage or disadvantage in this regard.If it's an issue of a server that's under strain or something else server related shouldn't everyone on that server experience the same issue? And I would expect switching servers to offer some improvement but it doesn't. I've switched isp's 4 times over the last 2 years with no notable difference.

@Sand_spitter I agree, this seems to happen a lot. Could be server connection? People also seem to reload faster than me. Even with the same gun. You can hear them reload but they are shooting me before I am done reloading.

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41 Replies

bosourd
5 years ago
@Sand_spitter I'm sure there's no such a thing, I do feel like it sometimes, it's just your anxiety, some legends do have an advantage on movement over you with their abilities. Even sometimes I slide too soon without having enough momentum. Also, heavy ammo slows you down...
hayhor
Hero
5 years ago
@bosourd All bullets slow everyone on the first shot except gibby and caustic. The whole heavy bullets slow you down is not correct.

And yeah OP sometimes it feels like things are going against you in RNG but that's part of luck.
Sand_spitter
5 years ago
<span;>I don't know if you entirely understand what I mean. I'm kinda struggling to find the correct words to explain this properly.

<span;>I suppose you could say what if the lag that some players experience is intentional? Sort of like a soft nerf. Like an isp would throttle your speed to give others better access / speeds.
Is it really that far fetched to think that? I've spoken about lag extensively on here and how it ruins the game but if you have a closer look at some streamers for example it just seems like certain individuals don't have it at all. They have a much easier time playing the game and getting kills than their opponents.. I mean your paying someone to play your game so why not make them look good? Everything they do is super responsive and instant. I'm picking up on this just by spectating some people in game too.
If it's the servers acting up why isn't everyone experiencing this at the same time? And if it's related to my connection why does it feel the same when selecting servers which are further or closer? Why does it dissappear sometimes all together while nothing changes on my side?
Sand_spitter
5 years ago
You mean sometimes the game runs smoother for some players than others? Shouldn't it be the same for everyone if everyone is running the same hardware?
Sand_spitter
5 years ago
I did a web search and found this on Reddit:
Some other non-limiting examples of features of the video game that can be modified, which may or may not be detectable by the user can include providing extra speed to an in-game character, improving throwing accuracy of an in-game character, improving the distance or height that the in-game character can jump, adjusting the responsiveness of controls, and the like. In some cases, the adjustments may additionally or alternatively include reducing the ability of an in-game character rather than improving the ability of the in-game character. For example, the in-game character may be made faster, but have less shooting accuracy.”
Focus on the part that says “adjusting the responsiveness of controls”.
So yeah... Obviously they didn't refer to Apex here, BUT it is entirely possible to manipulate responsiveness (lag) or reduce a player's ability in games. I obviously can't prove that Apex makes use of this feature but it sure feels like it sometimes and it would explain a lot of other things too.. I doubt they'll admit to it even if they do.
I'm not trying to be some conspiracy nut here, but something just didn't feel right when I really started looking and questioning things I'm seeing in this game. Some things just don't add up.
EA_David
Community Admin
5 years ago
If you can, it's worth recording your gameplay. That way you can review suspicious stuff, and send on anything weird. You probably want to turn on the performance panel too, even a minor difference in ping can really affect the feel of a game as fast as this.

A lot of the time questionable stuff can be explained clearly when watched without the adrenaline and pressure of being in a match. There are also times when things are bugged, or people get a big lag spike and something crazy happens as the local prediction and the server data sync back up, and we're happy to look at those examples.

You might not believe me, as I'd be "in on it", but I don't think any merit to such theories.

I do want to thank you for phrasing it in a questioning manner, it's not uncommon for misinformation to confidently stated as fact, and that sort of thing helps nobody.
Srksii
5 years ago
@Sand_spitter Its not any intentional thing. Its some netcode issue that respawn never want to talk or dont even care about. Some people, no matter of weapon, literally strafe left right without any momentum, changing direction instantly, while "normal" ones strafe naturally with acc/deacc. Its very hard to hit somebody when it happens. I guess its some internal battle of packets and pings where usually worse connection wins. I can track normal human well, but when there is somebody with this way of moving, its literally impossible to hit, unless he stop changing directions
maximas1986
5 years ago
@Sand_spitter if you dig deep in my account here you will find several posts talking about the same exact thing

"I'm not talking about network / ping / packet loss / server issues. This feels different.
It feels like this is almost being done intentionally to give certain players the upper hand over you for a while. Almost as if the game pre decides when you win / lose"

I have said the same thing and described the same issue but in different words, I had a video of a Wattson who was moving like bloodhound with his ult active, I talked about how come that a lot of time when I hit my killing shot right in the head with the highest damage weapon in this game it doesn't register , even worse in some cases I had a half mag of an auto weapon don't register.
but I never got a single reply to any of my posts so am surprised that you got attention for yours.
I totally support what you said and I understand what you are saying completely , but take my advice......don't waste your time as there is not use.
everyone will start to tell you " post a video, post any evidence "
but eventually, even if you post a hundred video there will be a lot of excuses that can be used to prove you wrong
you have a lot of replies down there that already trying to make look like your imagining things but am sure you are not because I suffer from the same problem and that the main reason I just lost the well to play this game but who the heck cares, you and I are just two out of millions of customers and a lot of them are making huge money out of this game.
the solution is to forget it and move on for your own sanity
Sand_spitter
5 years ago
Thanks for your reply. I do see where you are coming from. We know that the servers for Apex aren't the best, we know things like ping / packet loss / line stability / jitter can mess with gameplay. But if nothing changed on my side that could potentially affect me negatively why is my experience with general things like movement so bad at times? And I'm not talking about a game or two, this can last for a couple of matches to hours to days at a time. Switching servers doesn't help when this happens. In game ping is stable throughout.

Sometimes I can feel it improving slowly to the point where the next match everything feels super responsive and sharp. And that's when I realize how other people rack up such high kill counts and wins, the game literally becomes easier. Effortless almost.

It made me wonder if some players are purposely given an advantage or disadvantage in this regard.

If it's an issue of a server that's under strain or something else server related shouldn't everyone on that server experience the same issue? And I would expect switching servers to offer some improvement but it doesn't. I've switched isp's 4 times over the last 2 years with no notable difference.
aisthebestletter
Seasoned Ace
5 years ago
@Sand_spitter I agree, this seems to happen a lot. Could be server connection? People also seem to reload faster than me. Even with the same gun. You can hear them reload but they are shooting me before I am done reloading.