Expose / STR nerf

Expose hasn’t been “double nerfed,” it just does less damage now by definition since it’s %-based damage. And even “less” is sort of a misnomer since it will still do the same percentage. If it’s 10%, it’ll still take one-tenth off of the health bar.

Thinking about it though, I suppose an argument could be made that your finishing rank is falling because of that, since the hard numbers will show less.

Oh, so there wasn‘t an outcry of those who had JTR teams? That‘s just defending artificial cycling of characters. Again, the Devs nerfed it seen in general, not a individual scale. JTR Teams did too much damage, thus they nerfed Expose

@KausDebonair
You miss the point entirely. Obviously, % is % which is the exact stance I am taking. Because of the massive healthpool the Sith Raid had, the % damage did what it does... deal a percentage of that hp. Why nerf it in first place if it is „just %“?
It‘s solely about the „hard numbers“ you describe. 20% of 1 google is way more - in relation - than 20% of 1 million. They stated themselves, that JTR teams have been performing fine in general, but the damage in relation to other teams in STR was too high... How can that be if it is just % ?... relativity....

Before the new changes, JTR teams have been de facto nerfed by the reduction of damage Expose deals.
Now, they have been nerfed de facto again by an amount of 95% to 50% as those are the rates, the Sith Raid‘s HP has been reduced from T1-T6, depending on what Raid Tier you operate.
An simplified example of your reasoning would be:

Boss:
Okay guys, we got a massive new project for you to work on! Those of you who are qualified XYZ workers will earn 40% additionally of the total work hours you clock in!
Worker:
Yaaaay! Gotta work on that bonus!
*one month later*
Boss:
Okay guys, we realized that the XYZ workers are working too well! We need to cut that bonus to 20% because work gets done too fast!
Workers:
Booo, you promised me huge bonuses when you hired me and told me to put in that extra effort to earn that XYZ certificate!
Boss:
Yes, true! We‘re sorry but trust us! It‘s better for the project in general!

*6 months later*
Boss:
Okay guys, we realized the workload is just too much! We will reduce the total worktime of this project by 50%! Be happy and content! You don‘t have to work as much any more!
Workers:
So... you cut my bonus - which is based on the total work hours - by half and now you cut the total hours by half as well? But now I earn even less than before!
Coworkers:
Shush, you need to be happy and content! You earn a 20% bonus! It says bonus so it must be true!
Boss *smiles*:
Here is your new colleague! He gets payed the same as you XYZ workers although he has lower qualification („just legendary“) and you know what? We added the 20% total work hours bonus simply to his payroll, no strings attached!




In all seriousness:
I fully understand that EA/CG is a company that needs to make money. But altering the way something is working (which people have payed for, because they have been promised something by the same company) SOLELY to introduce new content that basically does the same just more effective is shady business practice and obviously has and had nothing to do with the Sith Raid if that was their sole reasoning. (And it was pretty much their sole reasoning. JTR outperformed all other teams, which was due to the high HP. You know what might have worked as well? More defense, more protection,....)
While your JTR statement and the speed is true for heroic, it is still a -assumed- problem for maybe 10% of all guilds that actively are doing the HSTR.
And shall I let you in to a little secret?
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The next raid released will have more HP than the last raid as well! That‘s pretty much a 100% given. You know what happens then? Yupp, in relation to normal damage, damage based on max hp will outperform normal damage again! So, Expose will need to be nerfed again... going from 0,02% to 0,01% in raids? But what after that? 0.005%? Expose needs an overhauled system or high health pool must be circumvented by other means like splitting it to more opponents...
Maybe something like 20% of current, rather than max health might work? So they outperform others at the beginning but lose momentum towards the end of each phase (also ties in nicely with what Expose is supposed to be... guerrilla tactics that surprise the enemy, leaving them vulnerable. Yet, that surprise effect wears off after some time)

The manner in which folks @ the devs around here is rather obnoxious.

Anyways, JTR is still one of the best teams for two phases of the raid to such a degree that the question is just silly. The only other team that's really hurt by this is HAAT Finn, and that team still does fine. Chill. You're getting worked up over things that aren't even released yet, and issues they already know are issues.

I kinda get it. Lower health hurts damage based off health. While I wouldn't oppose a expsoe buff, I don't see the need for it. The real goal, heroic, remains unchanged.JTR remains an excellent team.

With the next raid, hopefully they decide to give the boss some expose resistance instead of nerfing it across al raids if another nerf is necessary

Like I said in my first reply, “maybe I’m missing the point.”

I still don’t understand your complaint, is it that your finishing rank is falling because of the % health damage doing less hard numbers? (Which is what I said in my 3rd comment.) If that is your complaint, maybe you & I play differently in that I participate in raids to help my guild obtain the toons (traya, GK, rHan) and I don’t care so much where I finish in the rankings. I understand that higher rank gets you better loot boxes, but that’s not my goal. If we have different goals when it comes to raids, we aren’t going to see eye to eye on this, which is fine, everybody plays differently.

One could also make the argument that, even though your hard numbers are lower, the raid is finishing faster and resulting in more loot boxes in the time it took to finish one raid previous to the rework. For example, my guild was doing t4 of STR. It took 5 or so days, possibly more. After the rework, we finished it in 1 day. Now we went to t6 and were doing that faster than the pre-rework t4. More raids equals more rewards equals more progression. But, if you’re in it for your own rewards and not the rest of the guild, then I can see why this rework could be aggravating.

"Balthasar666;c-1661042" wrote:
and it doesnt matter at all

Well, applying the same logic as you:
Your comment consists of thoughtless platitudes and thus doesn't matter :-)

I don’t even understand what jtr nerf are we talking about ? Cause this one : https://forums.galaxy-of-heroes.starwars.ea.com/discussion/162421/upcoming-sith-triumvirate-raid-changes-3-12#latest is for raid only so resistance team has not been affected at all anywhere else.
And since jtr is still the best p1 team no investment has been lost.
So where is this going ?

The real strength of exposes under JTR is the TM gain you get from them, and the fact that the exposes from critical hits are irresistible. which is why JTR is is such a good leader in a raid where all bosses' tenacity is out of control. The expose damage goes down in number, but stays the same for how much %heath you're doing to the boss. The regular damage you do, however, has gone up percentage-wise. Overall you should be doing more % damage to the boss than you were previously.

Deathtrooper (and Sion) have always had higher damage (esp, Sion, it used to be 70k bonus damage in T6 if the boss had Pain). But since they're the only heroes that can apply those debuffs, it seems balanced to me.

I usually have issues with condensing my paragraphs but you'll lose readers just through intimidation.

JTR is still an absolutely amazing team through tiers 1-6. On tier 7 no health reduction so there's nothing new with a JTR team there. my guild went up 1 (almost 2) tier levels. So complaining that JTR is under performing when all it would do is just dominate the whole raid is ridiculous. It shouldnt take 1 team that was out from the start to beat a new raid, Power-creep allows for this but allowing it from the start doesnt make sense game design wise

You mentioned deathmark. yes it does more damage, but it has no turnmeter synergies like with the resistance faction. And attempts to abuse it led to Chexmix, which requires lots of effort to get right and wouldnt just win the raid with 50 of them.

Advice before "nerf" invest in JTR. after "nerf" invest in JTR as its still the best overall team. And when people come to heroic they will still need her.

As for any damage argument. halving the health would halve the expose. But it wouldnt halve the actual attack damage. This means that the damage number you do at the end of the fight will be a higher percent than before. This has been thoroughly explained by other people but you seem not to be listening