So, for those that don't have Thrawn, CLS, or Chaze...I want to know if anyone has tried (or is willing to try) the following squad, which is a variant on the Chirpatine squad:Chirpa (L)PalpatineStormtrooper Han (Z)JynEwok Elder/Tusken Shaman/KananIt seems like Stormtrooper Han's zeta has been overlooked here, as it provides him 5% protection back each time he takes damage and has a 25% chance to remove 10% turn meter from the B2.So the idea would be that you set up Chirpatine as normal (shock the droids) and go to town. Each time the B2 counters he hits STHan charging TM for the other allies. Assuming the B2 does more than 5% of protection as damage (does he?) you can use Elder/Shaman to restore his health. Jyn will get fed enough turn meter from STHan to empty the turn meter on the B2 when needed, and simply rinse/repeat until the phase is over.Is there something I'm missing or overlooked? Has anyone tried zeta STHan with Chirpatine?"Dryff" wrote:Each time the B2 counters, there's a 25% chance to remove 10% turn meter AND it feeds Jyn 20% turn meter. Yeah, probably not perfect, but you're basically just trying to remove as many turns as possible before enrage...with a zeta on STHan, I don't think his health is the limiting issue on the run, I think the B2 would go into enrage before STHan ever got in danger of dying, but this is why I'm curious to see if anyone has tried it :)

You could also try using Kanan instead of Ewok Elder, to restore 40% protection on STHan perhaps?

A little warning: I read a post of someone ranting because he zeta'd St Han with this in mind, just to discover that B2 spells heal block, which invalidates the zeta's effect. Not sure it's all true but should be easy to check, before you apply the zeta.

The healing immunity the B2 does, prevents any protection recovery and because Palpatine is gaining a ton of TM he will feed the B2 a ton of TM (30% when he counters and 5% everytime he's attacked) and as a result the B2 will outspeed your TM removal chars. Going to be tough timing Ewok Elders cleanse with all the turns Palpatine keeps getting, so you can end up with STH dying because Ewok Elder didn't get to his turn. Before you get the chance to revive STH, Palpatine will likely get wrecked.To be fair, Baze is F2P and you can get ~100 baze shards a week (buying from the Guild Event store). Add Chirrut, Teebo and TFP with them and you can do up to 5M damage roughly.I've been using Teebo, CLS, DN and Chaze doing 3.6M damage but Teebo died when the B2 had 7 turns left so I had to go all out on the boss (feeding him with TM so I don't miss P4). Tried Teebo, CLS, Jyn and Chaze before - found them to be much more consistent with removing TM. I'm confident you can solo it with Chaze but I've never had the chance to do it because of guild reasons.Even if you pull a solo out with them, you have to be very lucky with not being resisted.

"Tiggus;c-1288517" wrote:A little warning: I read a post of someone ranting because he zeta'd St Han with this in mind, just to discover that B2 spells heal block, which invalidates the zeta's effect. Not sure it's all true but should be easy to check, before you apply the zeta.True, but if you got kanan/elder there you dont have to worry as they can dispel itI would say that kanan would be better than elder simply because when sthan loses his taunt the entire team gonna be in danger cuz of the cannon, although if jyn keeps her special to give sthan 100% tm and get that turn before the cannon fires may viable with any of both

"Fahrius;c-1288584" wrote:"Tiggus;c-1288517" wrote:A little warning: I read a post of someone ranting because he zeta'd St Han with this in mind, just to discover that B2 spells heal block, which invalidates the zeta's effect. Not sure it's all true but should be easy to check, before you apply the zeta.True, but if you got kanan/elder there you dont have to worry as they can dispel itI would say that kanan would be better than elder simply because when sthan loses his taunt the entire team gonna be in danger cuz of the cannon, although if jyn keeps her special to give sthan 100% tm and get that turn before the cannon fires may viable with any of bothYou're missing the point, they barely get to their turns with Palpatine going town. Within that timeframe STH will most likely die. Even if you manage to dispell STH, with all the attacks from Palpa he'd just use his aoe again that inflicts healing immunity.And you never want to dispell his offense up in a TM removal squad (which Kanan does), the droids will feed the B2 with TM if he's not buffed.

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sainte5
8 years ago
You could also try using Kanan instead of Ewok Elder, to restore 40% protection on STHan perhaps?
heiligenborre
8 years ago
A little warning: I read a post of someone ranting because he zeta'd St Han with this in mind, just to discover that B2 spells heal block, which invalidates the zeta's effect. Not sure it's all true but should be easy to check, before you apply the zeta.
Faithhz
8 years ago
The healing immunity the B2 does, prevents any protection recovery and because Palpatine is gaining a ton of TM he will feed the B2 a ton of TM (30% when he counters and 5% everytime he's attacked) and as a result the B2 will outspeed your TM removal chars.

Going to be tough timing Ewok Elders cleanse with all the turns Palpatine keeps getting, so you can end up with STH dying because Ewok Elder didn't get to his turn. Before you get the chance to revive STH, Palpatine will likely get wrecked.

To be fair, Baze is F2P and you can get ~100 baze shards a week (buying from the Guild Event store). Add Chirrut, Teebo and TFP with them and you can do up to 5M damage roughly.

I've been using Teebo, CLS, DN and Chaze doing 3.6M damage but Teebo died when the B2 had 7 turns left so I had to go all out on the boss (feeding him with TM so I don't miss P4). Tried Teebo, CLS, Jyn and Chaze before - found them to be much more consistent with removing TM. I'm confident you can solo it with Chaze but I've never had the chance to do it because of guild reasons.

Even if you pull a solo out with them, you have to be very lucky with not being resisted.
Fahrius
8 years ago
"Tiggus;c-1288517" wrote:
A little warning: I read a post of someone ranting because he zeta'd St Han with this in mind, just to discover that B2 spells heal block, which invalidates the zeta's effect. Not sure it's all true but should be easy to check, before you apply the zeta.

True, but if you got kanan/elder there you dont have to worry as they can dispel it
I would say that kanan would be better than elder simply because when sthan loses his taunt the entire team gonna be in danger cuz of the cannon, although if jyn keeps her special to give sthan 100% tm and get that turn before the cannon fires may viable with any of both
Faithhz
8 years ago
"Fahrius;c-1288584" wrote:
"Tiggus;c-1288517" wrote:
A little warning: I read a post of someone ranting because he zeta'd St Han with this in mind, just to discover that B2 spells heal block, which invalidates the zeta's effect. Not sure it's all true but should be easy to check, before you apply the zeta.

True, but if you got kanan/elder there you dont have to worry as they can dispel it
I would say that kanan would be better than elder simply because when sthan loses his taunt the entire team gonna be in danger cuz of the cannon, although if jyn keeps her special to give sthan 100% tm and get that turn before the cannon fires may viable with any of both

You're missing the point, they barely get to their turns with Palpatine going town. Within that timeframe STH will most likely die. Even if you manage to dispell STH, with all the attacks from Palpa he'd just use his aoe again that inflicts healing immunity.

And you never want to dispell his offense up in a TM removal squad (which Kanan does), the droids will feed the B2 with TM if he's not buffed.
sainte5
8 years ago
Great points guys.

@Tiggus That's why I suggested Kanan or Elder, to dispel the healing immunity...whether or not it blocks Protection recovery is interesting...

@Fahrius The cannon won't get a turn, so that's not really an issue. You can't use Jyn's AoE anyways because you have to keep the droids alive for EP.

Each time the B2 counters, there's a 25% chance to remove 10% turn meter AND it feeds Jyn 20% turn meter. Yeah, probably not perfect, but you're basically just trying to remove as many turns as possible before enrage...with a zeta on STHan, I don't think his health is the limiting issue on the run, I think the B2 would ego into enrage before STHan ever got in danger of dying, but this is why I'm curious to see if anyone has tried it :)
sainte5
8 years ago
@Faa I only thought of this because in NAAT, I ran Chirpa, EP, STHan, Elder, and ??? (can't remember) and STHan never died...and I don't even have his zeta. Between Chirpa and Elder, STHan pretty much stayed healthy.

I would try this myself, but I don't have the zeta for STHan, and also don't have Jyn geared up. Though I do have CLS so maybe I'll run him in there and see what happens (even though that's like, kinda cheating for this theory... :D )
Faithhz
8 years ago
"Dryff;c-1289080" wrote:
@Faa I only thought of this because in NAAT, I ran Chirpa, EP, STHan, Elder, and ??? (can't remember) and STHan never died...and I don't even have his zeta. Between Chirpa and Elder, STHan pretty much stayed healthy.

I would try this myself, but I don't have the zeta for STHan, and also don't have Jyn geared up. Though I do have CLS so maybe I'll run him in there and see what happens (even though that's like, kinda cheating for this theory... :D )

Your theory is solo'ing P3 with F2P chars :smiley:

Trust me, I've thought about the zeta for STH as well but there are always missing pieces in the synergy or the raid mechanics conflict with the synergy in some way. When you'd put him as lead, and with his zeta, he will survive without too much troubles. The boss doesn't hit hard on a tank, like 5K on a crit roughly.
sainte5
8 years ago
"Faa;c-1289221" wrote:
"Dryff;c-1289080" wrote:
@Faa I only thought of this because in NAAT, I ran Chirpa, EP, STHan, Elder, and ??? (can't remember) and STHan never died...and I don't even have his zeta. Between Chirpa and Elder, STHan pretty much stayed healthy.

I would try this myself, but I don't have the zeta for STHan, and also don't have Jyn geared up. Though I do have CLS so maybe I'll run him in there and see what happens (even though that's like, kinda cheating for this theory... :D )

Your theory is solo'ing P3 with F2P chars :smiley:

Trust me, I've thought about the zeta for STH as well but there are always missing pieces in the synergy or the raid mechanics conflict with the synergy in some way. When you'd put him as lead, and with his zeta, he will survive without too much troubles. The boss doesn't hit hard on a tank, like 5K on a crit roughly.

You can't run STHan as lead, since Chirpa is lead...

I honestly think STHan would be invincible here with Kanan...stack him with Protection mods you can get around 45K-50K with 2,500 recovery on each hit, and Kanan replenishes about 23K every 12 counters...it'd be awful interesting to see...
Faithhz
8 years ago
"Dryff;c-1290727" wrote:
"Faa;c-1289221" wrote:
"Dryff;c-1289080" wrote:
@Faa I only thought of this because in NAAT, I ran Chirpa, EP, STHan, Elder, and ??? (can't remember) and STHan never died...and I don't even have his zeta. Between Chirpa and Elder, STHan pretty much stayed healthy.

I would try this myself, but I don't have the zeta for STHan, and also don't have Jyn geared up. Though I do have CLS so maybe I'll run him in there and see what happens (even though that's like, kinda cheating for this theory... :D )

Your theory is solo'ing P3 with F2P chars :smiley:

Trust me, I've thought about the zeta for STH as well but there are always missing pieces in the synergy or the raid mechanics conflict with the synergy in some way. When you'd put him as lead, and with his zeta, he will survive without too much troubles. The boss doesn't hit hard on a tank, like 5K on a crit roughly.

You can't run STHan as lead, since Chirpa is lead...

I honestly think STHan would be invincible here with Kanan...stack him with Protection mods you can get around 45K-50K with 2,500 recovery on each hit, and Kanan replenishes about 23K every 12 counters...it'd be awful interesting to see...

First of all, you are lacking a reliable passive cleanser like Barris to cleanse ability block/healing immunity. Offense down on Palpatine will hurt his damage output significantly. Second Chirpa's lead is a starting thing, down the fight it's only benefiting Palpatine but isn't he gaining enough TM from his unique & STH? Then I question, why would you need Chirpa if the TM gain portion is from using a basic attack only?

The issue here is Palpatine. Everyone apart from Palpatine, are only gaining TM through STH's taunt if the B2 counters. Sure remove its turn meter - right?

Example 1; B2 is at 75% TM and Jyn at 80% TM > Palpatine uses basic > B2 counters and gains 25% TM + 5% > Both Jyn and B2 are at 100% who is going next is RNG like Han v Han battles.

Example 2; B2 is at 75% TM and Jyn at 70% TM > Palpatine attacks > B2 gains +25% TM and 5% > B2 takes a turn before Jyn could remove his TM.

Not bashing your idea, but I really feel like it's possible without Palpatine and P2P chars. STH zeta looks promising and yes he'll survive easily if he's cleansed, but you need a second tank and another TM removal character. Chaze worked, only because Baze can function as an autotaunter, with STH you really do need a 2nd tank to fill the taunt gap up.