Imbalanced gear requirements (not the usual complaint)?

Let's not forget that Veers himself requires SIX pieces of raid gear!

The gear that goes into the characters directly affect their end stats. So take a second look at some of those 'weak' characters. That snowtrooper hits HARD. Cad Bane has the highest offense of the game. The Jawas you mentioned are also powerful, especially the basic Jawa.

Have you ever noticed that tanky type characters require a lot of Mk 3 Carbanti Arrays (GK, Kylo, Baze, etc) or the Mk 5 stun cuffs that also require Mk 3 Carbanti arrays. Mk 3 Carbanti affectly direct health. Characters with those gear will have a lot of health at the end of your path.

Same goes for Stun Cuffs and Mk 5 furnaces. Those provide extra offense, so it's not surprising that "attacking" characters require a lot of them, such as Snowtrooper, Cad Bane, Darth Maul, etc.

I would venture to say that the gear problem is that it is too difficult to get pieces of gear that you're looking for. I'd much rather the raid rewards provide some kind of gear ticketing system that you could get X tickets for your raid rewards and turn those in for your selection of gear. They almost did us a favor by putting gear in the fleet shop, but then they also put the much needed zeta in the fleet shop as well, so I might as well forget about the gear.

"Tannjam;c-1046419" wrote:
Let's not forget that Veers himself requires SIX pieces of raid gear!

True! But for many players (myself included), rancor raid only gear is no longer any real issue - it is more the sheer volumes of the 'farmable' gear that is required - stun cuffs, stun guns, sienars, syringes, carbanti, etc.

My point is not so much the overall gear grind though, more the fact that very weak characters seem to need even more of it than the meta characters.

@Dretzle - I agree with all you say, but at the end of the day, some characters are still pretty much useless compared to the meta whatever the gear they are equipped with. But having really hard gear demands makes them even less likely to be used. None of the seven I listed can be considered 'meta' for any part of the game as it stands.

"Dretzle;c-1046427" wrote:
The gear that goes into the characters directly affect their end stats. So take a second look at some of those 'weak' characters. That snowtrooper hits HARD. Cad Bane has the highest offense of the game. The Jawas you mentioned are also powerful, especially the basic Jawa.

Cade Bane is worthless. A Jawa team would get torn apart by any meta team. Snowtrooper is getting reworked, because he was hot garbage. They are all proof that you're incorrect.

Gear affects base stats, which is often totally invalidated by the kit. Nightsister Initiate is #1 for the highest physical damage in the game, but barely scratches opponents especially compared to the #44 character Rey, who hits for over 10k unmodded on non-crits. It's funny to see #43 right above her is Shoretrooper. Wedge, and Biggs are both WAY below that. :D

Kits overpower stats. The attack description can say multiply base damage by 4, or cut it by half. It can add an assist, or a double assist, or call the whole team to attack, or they can attack multiple times. It can give a 110 speed wedge an extra 45-75 speed. It can boost a 15k health/22% potency Sidious to more than 25k health/72% potency unmodded. (You can blow 30-35k health out of the water with a few potency mods on him.) And the ultimate example is a certain Sith Lord who can press a button, and kill an opponent.

These are a fraction of the examples of how kit>stats. With newer toons they have designed their gear requirements better. Kenobi for example has no gear that gives him potency, but has no abilities that depend on potency. Nihilus has the lowest physical damage in the game, but has no attacks that do physical damage. This is very different than some older toons that require expensive gear that does nothing for their USEFUL stats, or are wasted on terrible kits.

So the OP is completely right that terrible characters or just Ok teams that might be fun to build in the background are cost prohibitive due to bad design of old gear tables.

"Dretzle;c-1046427" wrote:


I would venture to say that the gear problem is that it is too difficult to get pieces of gear that you're looking for. I'd much rather the raid rewards provide some kind of gear ticketing system that you could get X tickets for your raid rewards and turn those in for your selection of gear. They almost did us a favor by putting gear in the fleet shop, but then they also put the much needed zeta in the fleet shop as well, so I might as well forget about the gear.

So much this........

"JacenRoe;c-1046564" wrote:

"Dretzle;c-1046427" wrote:
The gear that goes into the characters directly affect their end stats. So take a second look at some of those 'weak' characters. That snowtrooper hits HARD. Cad Bane has the highest offense of the game. The Jawas you mentioned are also powerful, especially the basic Jawa.

Cade Bane is worthless. A Jawa team would get torn apart by any meta team. Snowtrooper is getting reworked, because he was hot garbage. They are all proof that you're incorrect.

Gear affects base stats, which is often totally invalidated by the kit. Nightsister Initiate is #1 for the highest physical damage in the game, but barely scratches opponents especially compared to the #44 character Rey, who hits for over 10k unmodded on non-crits. It's funny to see #43 right above her is Shoretrooper. Wedge, and Biggs are both WAY below that. :D

LOL. It's like you didn't read my post. You pointed out how terrible the characters I mentioned are, because their move set is more important than their stats. So you said that I was incorrect.

Although the only point I was making was that gear that goes into characters directly affects their end stats, which you then go on to agree with, essentially saying I was correct. Here, let me highlight that part where you said I was wrong, and then in the very next sentence said I was right:

"JacenRoe;c-1046564" wrote:
They are all proof that you're incorrect.

Gear affects base stats

I wasn't saying the characters were useful in the arena. I wasn't saying that you should focus on gearing them over more meta characters or characters that have better moves.

The point I was making, the ONLY point I was making, was that gear affects stats. If you "make the lesser characters easier to gear" so you can play with them, you ALSO make them less useful to gear and play with. Take away all those stun cuffs, and Cad Bane is no longer the character with the highest offense in the game. So what's the point anymore of even wanting to gear him?

Let me make it simpler for you and the OP. You want these less popular characters, whom you deem worthless because their move kits are unappealing, you want these characters to be easier to gear so that you can use them. You want them to take away all the gear that would make them even halfway interesting to use.

So what are you going to do when you're done gearing them with worthless gear? Smile at them? Spin them in your character window? Take away the powerful gear, and now these characters are even less than the interesting trinkets you were thinking of toying with.

As I said before, the problem is not the gear they require, it's that (a) there is a small selection of gear that all characters of a certain kind need and (b) the way to attain this gear is prohibitive. They could make new kinds of gear that give the same stats, but then you are even less likely to get gear you need when you are trying to level a particular character (more gear types mean a large pool from the random payouts of raids, which means harder to get a particular kind of gear). If they feel it's a problem, probably the best solution is to move zetas outside of the fleet shop, which is one of the best places to get 5 stun cuff salvage at a time.

"Dretzle;c-1046792" wrote:

I wasn't saying the characters were useful in the arena. I wasn't saying that you should focus on gearing them over more meta characters or characters that have better moves.

The point I was making, the ONLY point I was making, was that gear affects stats. If you "make the lesser characters easier to gear" so you can play with them, you ALSO make them less useful to gear and play with. Take away all those stun cuffs, and Cad Bane is no longer the character with the highest offense in the game. So what's the point anymore of even wanting to gear him?

You're missing part of Jacen's point. If you look at the mechanics for each character's attacks, you see that their physical/special damage stat is subject to some sort of multiplier, which determines the actual damage range for the attack. Cad could be easier to gear, thus having a lower physical damage stat, and have that compensated for by increasing the multiplier for his attack. 2500 physical damage x 3 = 1250 physical damage x 6.

@Dretzle I understand your point but I was trying to get across a slightly different one. The devs could very easily make better stat gains for offense (or any other characteristic) using other more easily available gear if they wanted to.

Example:

Mk 2 Czerka stun cuffs (blue; very easy to craft):
+3 Speed
+65 Physical Damage
+1.0% Tenacity
https://swgoh.gg/db/gear/079/mk-2-czerka-stun-cuffs/

Mk 3 Czerka stun cuffs (purple; grind, grind, grind):
+60 Physical Damage
https://swgoh.gg/db/gear/112/mk-3-czerka-stun-cuffs/


So not only could they make these weak characters easier to gear so that we could use them, but by giving them 'lower' gear (mk2 rather than mk3 cuffs) they would actually also improve their stats! So it seems deliberate (or badly thought out).

Much better response, and one I can completely agree with.