Mods.. the true meta?

That was kind of my point and last sentence in the first paragraph. Mods aren't meta. Speed is. Without max speed you're nothing. I mean to the person up a couple about gear being fixed it would be cool if you could mix and match certain gear pieces for the slots. Like if the devs set certain parameters on which gear at which level you could slot in an opening and you could pick between 3-5 pieces to fill any given spot and change them as you want, but again I think it would all come back to speed. People would rip and replace gear to maximize speed because that is what controls all aspects of winning right now.

"MntMan;c-1545827" wrote:
That was kind of my point and last sentence in the first paragraph. Mods aren't meta. Speed is. Without max speed you're nothing. I mean to the person up a couple about gear being fixed it would be cool if you could mix and match certain gear pieces for the slots. Like if the devs set certain parameters on which gear at which level you could slot in an opening and you could pick between 3-5 pieces to fill any given spot and change them as you want, but again I think it would all come back to speed. People would rip and replace gear to maximize speed because that is what controls all aspects of winning right now.

I realized that half way through typing. Like I said, when I took the speed set of R2, I expected a bigger drop and the same for CLS. I was still able to solo the heroic pit raid after removing mods from CLS and raid han. I run Wedge lead, biggs, CLS, raid han and jyn. To be honest, they work better after remodding for solo pit raid that they did with the speed mods and all I did was put crit dam/chance set on CLS. Raid han and CLS lost a bit of speed, obviously, but I was able to set my phone down and walk away. No issues. Before the mod change, I would have to play it or babysit and step in. All that to say, Speed is the meta, yes. Mods themselves, without speed factored into the equation, I am not sold that they provide enough of a boost. I do wish they had a separate energy. I want to farm cantina characters AND mods. Or they could put mods into the cantina.

Ahh. OK. I see your reference point then. To be honest a few teams I have can solo heroic pit and I agree that speed is not a factor there. Not trying to brag, far from it, just more to point out that I'm talking more at the higher level of play. Arena, HAAT, TW, TB and Sith Raid speed becomes very important where you can have OK gear (not even maxed level 12 which is the 3 pieces), but if you have all great speed primary and secondaries you can beat out a maxed gear team with only mediocre speed mods.

Taking speed out of the equation, I would agree that mods otherwise aren't a deal maker. But that's kind of it. Mods are the only thing that provide major bumps in speed. So I kind of agree. Mods are not the factor. Speed is. If there was another way to bump speed in a big way we'd be talking about that instead of mods doing it.

As for your Pit team try Wedge Lead, CLS, Thrawn, Rex, and Raid Han. Rex will take care of any cleanse that may cause a hiccup in part 1 and of course thrawn can protect up and give TM as needed. Since I went that team I don't have to babysit at all. I used to use jyn but she wans't doing much for me.

This is algebra not addition... mods are “part” of the winning equation , not the entire solution.

While it feels good to simplify every issue... thats not always the best way to present or even advocate a change since the majority understand that there is multiple variables to the issue especially in this part of the game.

The only reason I would say mods a deal maker are because they persist. It doesn't matter the meta, or how long you have been playing, or what game mode you are in. A +24 speed secondary mod is a great tool to have in your toolbox.

As far as raids go, it's more about the set and stats, not just speed, you need to be able to make a set with the right combination to get the result you want, and on top of that the faster the better.

Yes but if gear = a, abilities = b, speed mods are c (not just regular mods, but speed focused primaries and secondaries) and all the other mods are d then the equation is a2 + b2 + c + d2 = Win.

That's the issue. One is weighted much more than the other and has a larger impact that the other. You cannot win if one of your values is zero versus someone who has all other components, but if you have speed you can maybe eek out someone that is a bit stronger in other areas than you so long as that area is not speed.

If you don't agree with this I understand. It may not be where you are in the game, but if you are trying to get to top 20 in the arena it makes sense. If you are trying to be in the top 200 and not as focused on other aspects of the game like being a top 3 or even top 10 in raids in your guild then it is not as much of a factor. I don't mean this as an insult or talking down. I'm far from top 20 myself. I'd like to get there, but like it is for Ricky Bobby, speed is the answer.

"MntMan;c-1545879" wrote:
Yes but if gear = a, abilities = b, speed mods are c (not just regular mods, but speed focused primaries and secondaries) and all the other mods are d then the equation is a2 + b2 + c + d2 = Win.

That's the issue. One is weighted much more than the other and has a larger impact that the other. You cannot win if one of your values is zero versus someone who has all other components, but if you have speed you can maybe eek out someone that is a bit stronger in other areas than you so long as that area is not speed.

If you don't agree with this I understand. It may not be where you are in the game, but if you are trying to get to top 20 in the arena it makes sense. If you are trying to be in the top 200 and not as focused on other aspects of the game like being a top 3 or even top 10 in raids in your guild then it is not as much of a factor. I don't mean this as an insult or talking down. I'm far from top 20 myself. I'd like to get there, but like it is for Ricky Bobby, speed is the answer.

My hopes for 6* 7* mods if they are implemented -
No speed bonuses
Only distributed through raids or an event.
Obviously - these are ideas biased.
I’m sure people will spend to get +40 - + 50 speed.

"MntMan;c-1545879" wrote:
Yes but if gear = a, abilities = b, speed mods are c (not just regular mods, but speed focused primaries and secondaries) and all the other mods are d then the equation is a2 + b2 + c + d2 = Win.

That's the issue. One is weighted much more than the other and has a larger impact that the other. You cannot win if one of your values is zero versus someone who has all other components, but if you have speed you can maybe eek out someone that is a bit stronger in other areas than you so long as that area is not speed.

If you don't agree with this I understand. It may not be where you are in the game, but if you are trying to get to top 20 in the arena it makes sense. If you are trying to be in the top 200 and not as focused on other aspects of the game like being a top 3 or even top 10 in raids in your guild then it is not as much of a factor. I don't mean this as an insult or talking down. I'm far from top 20 myself. I'd like to get there, but like it is for Ricky Bobby, speed is the answer.

It's only weighted so severely because you are over simplifying it.

Those factors would be different depending on the mod you are in.

In arena b, when specifically regarding the leader ability (a zeta) that could matter way more than an above average speed team.

And a being as simple as you state it could be g9-10?? And that will be made up by mods?

I'm sorry its just not that simple of an equation to =win.

You dont even try to account for team synergy and turn order, which again can play a big part in certain game mods.

Ah... the good Ole days of when the meta was poggle giving an offence bonus and then everyone spamming aoe, no mods, no speed just pure aoe taking down massive health.

"Chucko_marek;c-1545774" wrote:
It's a combination of everything, imho. Gear, level and mods.

Also toons, but pretty much yes.

"CoastalJames;c-1545806" wrote:

"Chucko_marek;c-1545774" wrote:
It's a combination of everything, imho. Gear, level and mods.

Mods are important. But so is everything.

"Vampire_X;c-1545870" wrote:
This is algebra not addition... mods are “part” of the winning equation , not the entire solution.

While it feels good to simplify every issue... thats not always the best way to present or even advocate a change since the majority understand that there is multiple variables to the issue especially in this part of the game.

This is the correct answer stated multiple ways, and should end the discussion. But it won't because people will try to cram in speed mod complaints whenever they can.

Try putting a gear 6 toon in arena modded faster than a gear 12 toon, and tell me gear is less important. A Cup that's modded 50 speed faster than an opposing JTR is still a dead CUP, so tell me squad comp isn't important.

Not to mention there are strategies, and team comps that are drastically less mod dependent. Fast AoE teams will take a Wampa counter attack in the face sooner, and more frequently. The faster an opponent's Vader is the sooner he gives a Rex lead team full TM.

Mods are important. Gear is important. Team comp is important. So what's the point of this thread again? Oh that's right. To complain about speed secondaries on mods. I'm not going to try to say that it's not a valid complaint. Mods and secondary stats were not particularly well implemented. But be honest about what you're doing at least if you hate them, and want them changed.