CG use several mechanics to limit progression. If there's one thing we can agree on it's that CG never intended for alt accounts to be used to generate raid coins at a virtually limitless rate.I mentioned this in another thread, but I think it deserves to be a feature suggestion.Supercell implemented an industry standard clan war system for Clash of Clans. It's been copied many times in other games.When the clan war starts, players present in the clan, and opted in, are "locked in" to the war. This means that, even if they leave the clan and join another, they cannot participate in wars other than the one they're locked into - not until the war is over, 48 hours after it started.Supercell implemented this from the very beginning. They did so to prevent gaming the system, avoiding precisely the situation we now have in this game.Locking players in to a raid, with a fixed length cooldown, completely solves the problem of both alt factories and guild hopping in one go. Currency manipulation will be impossible.Why prevent alt factories and guild hopping? Because they make a mockery of how the raiding system was designed to work, they turn a previously well crafted game into a corrupt mess. They're all based on manipulating the raiding system and exceeding intended limits.Why should other players care? Because the arena, GW and the guild leaderboard will all be dominated by those players exploiting the system. Results will not be based on the quality of players' rosters or the synergy of their teams but by how many alts they have - or how many guilds they've hopped between. Progression by such means is nothing to be proud of.Other games have already solved this problem and proved that the solution works. There's no need to re-invent the wheel, just use the one already built.SWGOH is a young game, with a potentially long future ahead. If it's to be taken seriously in the industry, the developers need to recognise what such exploits will do to both the reputation and longevity of the game.They also owe the existing players, the fair-playing majority who've invested so much time and money, a solution.

Hello everybody, we are 20 people who can clear heroic raid easily in 14min. We startet to create alternative accounts to farm guildbank coins to raid daily. The devs gave us their allowed to do that. So each of us want to create 16 alternative accounts in eight different timezones. So we could farm with our real accounts 20 x 600 guildbank coins daily and with our alt accounts 20 x 16 x 200 guildbank coins daily without spending any dime into this game. So we would earn 76000 guildbank coins daily and could do a heroic raid daily.So it would nice if we could switch through our alt accounts in game. That would make our live easier. What so you think wouldn't that be a cool feature?This is not a real story, but that could be the future of SWGOH!

I know what you're saying, I created a similar thread yesterday which went on for 3 pages, was merged with the megathread, then the megathread was shut down. It's now buried on page 2 or 3.It's a disgrace that EA/CG has kept completely silent on this, but there's nothing we can do about it now. I think we all know how it works now, so you can either join in with the exploits or take the high ground.No point in debating it anymore. The only opinion that counts is that of the developers, and they've made it clear that they couldn't care less about this issue.

My ethic says "Don't show the devs where they are wrong by doing it, just say it to them" But because they don't react to this issue, I have to say it to them more often. Thats why I started this thread with this horrible story in gaming.In my opinion a player just have to archieve rewards by his own effort or by a team effort not buy creating just more not existing players.

@Palanthian @Drake23 I did something similar yesterday too, lol. We know they are wrong. But let's give dev a bit more time to clarify. I think they are caught between a rock and hard place now. It is so obvious that if they don't do anything about this, the future is the world of Alts. Even if they limited guild action to 1 per day to limit hopping from the beginning, they couldn't have ruled out this world of Alts business. But some still want to associate this with hopping.

In Clash of Clans, once a war is started, and you're opted in, then you're locked in until that war finishes 24 hours later.If you leave the clan and join another, you're flagged as still being involved in a war and cannot join another until the previous one finishes.Why did Supercell impose this rule? Because it prevents precisely what has happened here.So if Supercell can figure this out, why can't CG?When a raid starts, put a 24 hour timer on it - or 48 hours - or whatever fits, according to CG's original intention to slow down progression.Players who participate in a raid are locked in until the timer expires, solves the guild hopping issue as well.It's really not rocket science, the industry standard has already been set and it's been working for years.

***Raid Solution for Both Alts and Hopping - Merged Threads**

Drake23232323
9 years ago
Hello everybody, we are 20 people who can clear heroic raid easily in 14min. We startet to create alternative accounts to farm guildbank coins to raid daily. The devs gave us their allowed to do that. So each of us want to create 16 alternative accounts in eight different timezones. So we could farm with our real accounts 20 x 600 guildbank coins daily and with our alt accounts 20 x 16 x 200 guildbank coins daily without spending any dime into this game. So we would earn 76000 guildbank coins daily and could do a heroic raid daily.
So it would nice if we could switch through our alt accounts in game. That would make our live easier. What so you think wouldn't that be a cool feature?
This is not a real story, but that could be the future of SWGOH!
Palanthrax
9 years ago
I know what you're saying, I created a similar thread yesterday which went on for 3 pages, was merged with the megathread, then the megathread was shut down. It's now buried on page 2 or 3.

It's a disgrace that EA/CG has kept completely silent on this, but there's nothing we can do about it now. I think we all know how it works now, so you can either join in with the exploits or take the high ground.

No point in debating it anymore. The only opinion that counts is that of the developers, and they've made it clear that they couldn't care less about this issue.
Drake23232323
9 years ago
My ethic says "Don't show the devs where they are wrong by doing it, just say it to them"

But because they don't react to this issue, I have to say it to them more often. Thats why I started this thread with this horrible story in gaming.

In my opinion a player just have to archieve rewards by his own effort or by a team effort not buy creating just more not existing players.
sloweagle0
New Spectator
9 years ago
@Palanthian @Drake23

I did something similar yesterday too, lol. We know they are wrong. But let's give dev a bit more time to clarify. I think they are caught between a rock and hard place now. It is so obvious that if they don't do anything about this, the future is the world of Alts. Even if they limited guild action to 1 per day to limit hopping from the beginning, they couldn't have ruled out this world of Alts business. But some still want to associate this with hopping.
Palanthrax
9 years ago
In Clash of Clans, once a war is started, and you're opted in, then you're locked in until that war finishes 24 hours later.

If you leave the clan and join another, you're flagged as still being involved in a war and cannot join another until the previous one finishes.

Why did Supercell impose this rule? Because it prevents precisely what has happened here.

So if Supercell can figure this out, why can't CG?

When a raid starts, put a 24 hour timer on it - or 48 hours - or whatever fits, according to CG's original intention to slow down progression.

Players who participate in a raid are locked in until the timer expires, solves the guild hopping issue as well.

It's really not rocket science, the industry standard has already been set and it's been working for years.
Drake23232323
9 years ago
"sloweagle;470455" wrote:
@Palanthian @Drake23

I did something similar yesterday too, lol. We know they are wrong. But let's give dev a bit more time to clarify. I think they are caught between a rock and hard place now. It is so obvious that if they don't do anything about this, the future is the world of Alts. Even if they limited guild action to 1 per day to limit hopping from the beginning, they couldn't have ruled out this world of Alts business. But some still want to associate this with hopping.

I think the solution will be there after they got a solution for precrafting

By the way, we are not alone https://forums.galaxy-of-heroes.starwars.ea.com/discussion/46129/a-new-and-improved-direction-for-teamskunk
emvedebe
9 years ago
"Palanthian;470464" wrote:
In Clash of Clans, once a war is started, and you're opted in, then you're locked in until that war finishes 24 hours later.

If you leave the clan and join another, you're flagged as still being involved in a war and cannot join another until the previous one finishes.

Why did Supercell impose this rule? Because it prevents precisely what has happened here.

So if Supercell can figure this out, why can't CG?

When a raid starts, put a 24 hour timer on it - or 48 hours - or whatever fits, according to CG's original intention to slow down progression.

Players who participate in a raid are locked in until the timer expires, solves the guild hopping issue as well.

It's really not rocket science, the industry standard has already been set and it's been working for years.

Alt accounts are not forbidden in clash of clans. Using super low alt accounts in clanwars screws up the matchmaking and results in very easy wins, those alts dont even have to attack. Alt accounts were/are also used to give top ranked players "cheap shields". And ofcourse for donating.
so yeah, having an alt account in clash of clans also benefits the main acc.

iMod/xMod was/is common practise for years in clash of clans, agiants ToS, there is no doubt it is a cheat, still was condoned until recently. Farming bots have poped up the last year aswell, and until recently no one got banned for it. These are a great example, mainly the first 1, that freemium games dont ban their top spenders. its fair to say 90% of the top200 global players and clans cheated with iMod, they were aware of it, yet they didnt ban anyone.

but still supercell is a very effective freemium game developer. Maybe its they way they manage their playerbase.
Palanthrax
9 years ago
"leef;470652" wrote:
Alt accounts are not forbidden in clash of clans. Using super low alt accounts in clanwars screws up the matchmaking and results in very easy wins, those alts dont even have to attack. Alt accounts were/are also used to give top ranked players "cheap shields". And ofcourse for donating.
so yeah, having an alt account in clash of clans also benefits the main acc.

iMod/xMod was/is common practise for years in clash of clans, agiants ToS, there is no doubt it is a cheat, still was condoned until recently. Farming bots have poped up the last year aswell, and until recently no one got banned for it. These are a great example, mainly the first 1, that freemium games dont ban their top spenders. its fair to say 90% of the top200 global players and clans cheated with iMod, they were aware of it, yet they didnt ban anyone.

but still supercell is a very effective freemium game developer. Maybe its they way they manage their playerbase.

You don't need to tell me about Clash - TH11, I've run clans, legend league, I've done enough.

If you truly do know anything about Clash then you know that alts give nowhere near the benefit that they are doing in this game (I have a TH9 I used for donations and wars). The few clans trying to use offense-only accounts to skew matchmaking were very easy to beat. A decent clan only needs some strong attackers in the top half capable of 3 starring their opposite number.

On top of that, clan wars in Clash are famous for giving pathetic rewards. Most clan wars ended up costing the players more building troops than they received as a reward.

Alts in Clash are expensive and contribute very little in terms of increasing the main account's progression. Anything you get from an alt, you can equally get from a clanmate.

The gear wall here is the single biggest issue restricting progress and creating an ever widening gap between those at the top and those at the bottom. The alt factory can double or treble the rate at which otherwise unobtainable gear is achieved. Non-exploiting players will feel the effect of this in the arena, in GW and on the leaderboard.

The suggestion still stands, based on Supercell's clan war model of locking players in. You didn't comment on it, and it was the central point.
Palanthrax
9 years ago
"MilkNudders;470722" wrote:
Is anyone really gaining an advantage with this?

Yes.
opus1lover
9 years ago
"MilkNudders;470722" wrote:
Is anyone really gaining an advantage with this?

Yes, a large one.