Well, I'm sure this is thread 110 on the subject, but It needs to be addressed for the good of all those guilds that just don't want to set up side communication channels and coordinate everything. We are all seeing it and if you haven't you will. Your guild can do the Tank in a few days now and a few players can help clear the rancor in under 24 hours. A month goes by and it 8 hours. Then all of a sudden it's under 2 hours. Lastly it's under an hour and the complaints on hogging shards and gear start and you have to set max scored just to keep it open 3 hours. You need to do well to gear your toons for the Tank Raid , but you can't score what you need for top 10 since you now have a Teebo log jam and gear 10 plus droid and rebel teams in the wing. We need a set reward raid tier for players with level 85 and a 7* Raid Han. Hear me out, we can set a tier that auto enters all guild members with 1 point ( this also fixes the time zone issues).If you weren't in when it started "sorry Charlie". All members with level 85 and 7* Han will always receive 1200 Raid currency and the yellow prize box with a 1 in 5-10 chance at a reb box reward. The other rewards are based on points for all other members. So this way the 18th best member of the guild can finally work on his team to solo phase 1 and then bother to start building teams good enough for the Tank take down. We are a team, but if this keeps up we are just going to see cycles of guilds losing their top players to build Tank Raid guilds. Also, I and other players shouldn't have to leave good guilds to be the 44th person in a more polished guilds Rancor raid while we clear the Tank raid. It's time to address the reward payout discrepancies in a calm and sensible manor.

Have a 12 hour "0 damage phase" where everyone sends in a single character and attacks only the side guards, so your entire guild is tied at 0 damage. Then, defeat the raid using as few guild members as possible. Since your guild can do the heroic AAT, you can probably complete the raid with only 5-10 members attacking. The other 40 members of your guild all tie at 0 damage, so all of them receive top 10 rewards. This gets even better if you can complete the raid with only four rosters, so everybody gets top 5 rewards. I know the communication seems daunting at first, but it's possible to do without a chat app.

Yeah, we have to many no communication players. That is great for teams with strict kick policies and want to churn through players. I feel a lot of guilds just don't want to monitor all that stuff. Also, this still doesn't address the issue of Rancor over kill. If they won't make a harder tier they just need to start handing out participation rewards to those that have gotten the toon shards. We've over shoot the challenge so far we can not say there is an actual rank anymore.

"Zombie8mylunch;85778" wrote:Well, I'm sure this is thread 110 on the subject, but It needs to be addressed for the good of all those guilds that just don't want to set up side communication channels and coordinate everything. We are all seeing it and if you haven't you will. Your guild can do the Tank in a few days now and a few players can help clear the rancor in under 24 hours. A month goes by and it 8 hours. Then all of a sudden it's under 2 hours. Lastly it's under an hour and the complaints on hogging shards and gear start and you have to set max scored just to keep it open 3 hours. You need to do well to gear your toons for the Tank Raid , but you can't score what you need for top 10 since you now have a Teebo log jam and gear 10 plus droid and rebel teams in the wing. We need a set reward raid tier for players with level 85 and a 7* Raid Han. Hear me out, we can set a tier that auto enters all guild members with 1 point ( this also fixes the time zone issues).If you weren't in when it started "sorry Charlie". All members with level 85 and 7* Han will always receive 1200 Raid currency and the yellow prize box with a 1 in 5-10 chance at a reb box reward. The other rewards are based on points for all other members. So this way the 18th best member of the guild can finally work on his team to solo phase 1 and then bother to start building teams good enough for the Tank take down. We are a team, but if this keeps up we are just going to see cycles of guilds losing their top players to build Tank Raid guilds. Also, I and other players shouldn't have to leave good guilds to be the 44th person in a more polished guilds Rancor raid while we clear the Tank raid. It's time to address the reward payout discrepancies in a calm and sensible manor.+1 rewards should be based on damage for the rancor not placement IE 1.5 mil gives you max tier rewards.

"Wildcats1203;833069" wrote:Have a 12 hour "0 damage phase" where everyone sends in a single character and attacks only the side guards, so your entire guild is tied at 0 damage. Then, defeat the raid using as few guild members as possible. Since your guild can do the heroic AAT, you can probably complete the raid with only 5-10 members attacking. The other 40 members of your guild all tie at 0 damage, so all of them receive top 10 rewards. This gets even better if you can complete the raid with only four rosters, so everybody gets top 5 rewards. I know the communication seems daunting at first, but it's possible to do without a chat app.This information is incorrect. Rewards aren't all equal for 0 loggers. 0 loggers still get a place number, all the way up to 50.https://s23.postimg.org/b80pro1aj/IMG_7297.png

I'm a firm believer that if you've maxed Han you should be dropping back in ranks to allow others to do the same. I'm preparing to leave a guild because we don't do this and it's always the same top 3 with 15 or so of us within 100k points following. Surprise, surprise those in top ranks also have the strongest teams and are the most impatient as far as getting to heroic tank. If they wanted to get there faster, imo, they'd rotate those top spots so others could get a little catch up gear. Maybe it's just me...

Rancor Raid future for guilds getting ready to heroic Tank: it's a Pillage now not a Raid

Wildcats1203
8 years ago
Have a 12 hour "0 damage phase" where everyone sends in a single character and attacks only the side guards, so your entire guild is tied at 0 damage. Then, defeat the raid using as few guild members as possible. Since your guild can do the heroic AAT, you can probably complete the raid with only 5-10 members attacking. The other 40 members of your guild all tie at 0 damage, so all of them receive top 10 rewards. This gets even better if you can complete the raid with only four rosters, so everybody gets top 5 rewards. I know the communication seems daunting at first, but it's possible to do without a chat app.
Goblin_Attack
8 years ago
Yeah, we have to many no communication players. That is great for teams with strict kick policies and want to churn through players. I feel a lot of guilds just don't want to monitor all that stuff.

Also, this still doesn't address the issue of Rancor over kill. If they won't make a harder tier they just need to start handing out participation rewards to those that have gotten the toon shards. We've over shoot the challenge so far we can not say there is an actual rank anymore.
olddumper
8 years ago
"Zombie8mylunch;85778" wrote:
Well, I'm sure this is thread 110 on the subject, but It needs to be addressed for the good of all those guilds that just don't want to set up side communication channels and coordinate everything.
We are all seeing it and if you haven't you will. Your guild can do the Tank in a few days now and a few players can help clear the rancor in under 24 hours. A month goes by and it 8 hours. Then all of a sudden it's under 2 hours. Lastly it's under an hour and the complaints on hogging shards and gear start and you have to set max scored just to keep it open 3 hours.

You need to do well to gear your toons for the Tank Raid , but you can't score what you need for top 10 since you now have a Teebo log jam and gear 10 plus droid and rebel teams in the wing.

We need a set reward raid tier for players with level 85 and a 7* Raid Han.

Hear me out, we can set a tier that auto enters all guild members with 1 point ( this also fixes the time zone issues).If you weren't in when it started "sorry Charlie". All members with level 85 and 7* Han will always receive 1200 Raid currency and the yellow prize box with a 1 in 5-10 chance at a reb box reward. The other rewards are based on points for all other members. So this way the 18th best member of the guild can finally work on his team to solo phase 1 and then bother to start building teams good enough for the Tank take down.
We are a team, but if this keeps up we are just going to see cycles of guilds losing their top players to build Tank Raid guilds. Also, I and other players shouldn't have to leave good guilds to be the 44th person in a more polished guilds Rancor raid while we clear the Tank raid.

It's time to address the reward payout discrepancies in a calm and sensible manor.

+1 rewards should be based on damage for the rancor not placement IE 1.5 mil gives you max tier rewards.
SnakesssOnAPlan
8 years ago
"Wildcats1203;833069" wrote:
Have a 12 hour "0 damage phase" where everyone sends in a single character and attacks only the side guards, so your entire guild is tied at 0 damage. Then, defeat the raid using as few guild members as possible. Since your guild can do the heroic AAT, you can probably complete the raid with only 5-10 members attacking. The other 40 members of your guild all tie at 0 damage, so all of them receive top 10 rewards. This gets even better if you can complete the raid with only four rosters, so everybody gets top 5 rewards. I know the communication seems daunting at first, but it's possible to do without a chat app.

This information is incorrect. Rewards aren't all equal for 0 loggers. 0 loggers still get a place number, all the way up to 50.

https://s23.postimg.org/b80pro1aj/IMG_7297.png
WrathofCaedus
8 years ago
I'm a firm believer that if you've maxed Han you should be dropping back in ranks to allow others to do the same. I'm preparing to leave a guild because we don't do this and it's always the same top 3 with 15 or so of us within 100k points following. Surprise, surprise those in top ranks also have the strongest teams and are the most impatient as far as getting to heroic tank. If they wanted to get there faster, imo, they'd rotate those top spots so others could get a little catch up gear. Maybe it's just me...
bac0n8ter
8 years ago
"WrathofCaedus;833129" wrote:
I'm a firm believer that if you've maxed Han you should be dropping back in ranks to allow others to do the same. I'm preparing to leave a guild because we don't do this and it's always the same top 3 with 15 or so of us within 100k points following. Surprise, surprise those in top ranks also have the strongest teams and are the most impatient as far as getting to heroic tank. If they wanted to get there faster, imo, they'd rotate those top spots so others could get a little catch up gear. Maybe it's just me...

Guild advice here - if and ONLY if your guild is fine with it, you should merge. It gives the non-heroic AAT players a quicker progression as they're higher ranks and you guys with strong rosters get Kenobi shards! 2 birds with 1 stone!
Ragnir2
8 years ago
I wish the above scenario worked out with everybody tied at zero getting the same rewards.
mjm-matt
8 years ago
i agree. Our guild (is awesome) and those who do not have 7* Han can attack at will until phase 4 or 24 hours. After 24 hours its a free for all for Phase 4 works well for us. Before that we had a 500,000 limit if you had 7* Han that also worked well as long as people stuck to it.
sneeekypants
8 years ago
If you have a maxed Han, you should be posting 0 if there are people who don't have him. If everyone has him then rotate awards.

If you are in a guild where you can't improve your roster because elites just run all over you then you are in a terrible guild that is just using you for tokens. They will place in the AAT anyway.

We have about 10 that don't have Han maxed, so they have a competition between them for place. The others rotate with the odd ones out hitting for 0 and the others for min damage like 10k so they float above the 0s.

I'm in an awesome guild and it breeds loyalty when the heavy hitters put in a place a system for the weaker to get stronger.
fkitaly
8 years ago
We tried implimenting this system last raid but some some people just cudnt grasp the simple concept of why