Request: Automatically register every guild member with zero damage when Raid starts

Can not believe people are disagreeing with this.

"StarSon;881457" wrote:

"Vertigo;881447" wrote:

"SaltySkroob;881434" wrote:

"DarthBlartMC;881414" wrote:
Members need to participate in the actual raid in order to get prizes. Not a hard concept. It shouldn't be automatic, then people are rewarded for doing nothing. Put down your soccer trophies and think about it.

LoL, Zero damage period is the definition of participation trophy. Lets just formalize it and be done with it.

But if you weren't there to participate at all, you shouldn't get a participation trophy. If I'm on a soccer team, and we have a tournament, but I just don't show up I don't deserve any participation trophy because I did not participate. 1) I let down the team because I knew what time that tournament started, and 2) I didn't help at all, I didn't even sit on the bench the whole time cheering or anything, I was just not there. Say my soccer team wins and they are given trophies, do I get a trophy? No, I'm not there to receive it. 24hour 0 damage rule is fine, at least those people showed that they play fairly regularly, but like it's just not that hard to log in and register 0 damage... Theres no need to add this imo.

Your analogy only works if you consider that you paid to be on that soccer team, and without your payment no one would get to play. Everyone contributes tickets just by playing the game, and without that no one raids.

You are right about one thing though: doing a zero damage is easy. But why should we be forced to start a raid, disallow anyone from doing any actual damage for 24 hours, and then beat the raid in an hour? It's backwards. If you contribute tickets to the raid, you should get rewards.

It's not that I don't think it'd be helpful, I just don't think it'd be good for ALL guilds. This isn't a good thing for smaller guilds, its really only good for the ones that can beat it in an hour. For smaller guilds that don't finish the raids with as much ease as stronger guilds, this doesn't really encourage anyone to even show up and try. This in turn could lead to less participation in smaller less powerful guilds. That's the main thing I don't like about this, it doesn't really start guilds off in the right place with raids. If they were able to make it so that after you've completed Heroic once or X number of times then yeah, I'd be alright with that, just don't think it's a good policy for the entire spectrum of guilds.

On another note, it doesn't encourage everyone to go on their device and play the way that raids do now. CG wants people to have to log in and play to get stuff, so I feel like it's a little counter productive towards their gameplay system.

"Darknessie;881358" wrote:

"DarthBlartMC;881355" wrote:
What if members are absent, should they get rewards for being absent? This is a silly idea.

Agree there. Thus is the laziest idea ever. Talk about something for nothing.

If they contributed in order for the guild to launch the raid, they should get to participate by default. Starting everyone at 0 is an excellent idea.

"Jimbob;881467" wrote:
Can not believe people are disagreeing with this.

+1

"leef;881364" wrote:

"DarthBlartMC;881355" wrote:
What if members are absent, should they get rewards for being absent? This is a silly idea.

if they're absent they can't claim the rewards. Furthermore, you get arena rewards everyday even if you havent logged in that day, so it's not that silly at all.

The only reason you get automatic arena rewards is because you're already in the leaderboard somewhere and someone is fighting your team through the AI. Your team places somewhere when the reset happens, so - you get a reward for being somewhere on the leaderboard.

I don't think you should get an automatic 0 for raids at all. I'll use my guild as an example. I would say about a third of us aren't very active but do contribute (we're not a hardcore guild where we require log-ins everyday, etc.). So Joe-Shmoe logs in maybe once a week, to maybe a week and a half. During that time, the guild has completed X raids. Joe-Shmoe should get rewards for not participating in the raids? This person would automatically gain good gear, currency, etc. and not do anything? Not fair at all IMO, they would get a participation trophy and end up gearing toons without doing anything.

Thanks for the thoughts guys. Interesting discussion.

I hate this idea, it's super lazy and as a guild it's very easy to tell who's not helping when they can't even post a 0 dmg.

"greycloak;881505" wrote:

"Darknessie;881358" wrote:

"DarthBlartMC;881355" wrote:
What if members are absent, should they get rewards for being absent? This is a silly idea.

Agree there. Thus is the laziest idea ever. Talk about something for nothing.

If they contributed in order for the guild to launch the raid, they should get to participate by default. Starting everyone at 0 is an excellent idea.

Sure start them at 0 and give them 0 rewards. I like it.

"DarthBlartMC;881414" wrote:
Members need to participate in the actual raid in order to get prizes. Not a hard concept. It shouldn't be automatic, then people are rewarded for doing nothing. Put down your soccer trophies and think about it.

By "doing nothing" you mean contributing raid tickets and then not being available for the 15 minutes that a raid is open?

I do my 600 every day, and I also try to save my attack for phase 4, so that the guys who still need solo shards can place higher. Some days I have been a bit busy and not gotten there in time - and gotten no rewards. I'd argue that I "helped" my guild more by not hitting the rancor and letting others do that damage.

We use a 0-damage phase like most other guilds now, but it's a PIA to manage it. At least once a week someone screws up and hits early.

"sneeyatch;881525" wrote:

"leef;881364" wrote:

"DarthBlartMC;881355" wrote:
What if members are absent, should they get rewards for being absent? This is a silly idea.

if they're absent they can't claim the rewards. Furthermore, you get arena rewards everyday even if you havent logged in that day, so it's not that silly at all.

I don't think you should get an automatic 0 for raids at all. I'll use my guild as an example. I would say about a third of us aren't very active but do contribute (we're not a hardcore guild where we require log-ins everyday, etc.). So Joe-Shmoe logs in maybe once a week, to maybe a week and a half. During that time, the guild has completed X raids. Joe-Shmoe should get rewards for not participating in the raids? This person would automatically gain good gear, currency, etc. and not do anything? Not fair at all IMO, they would get a participation trophy and end up gearing toons without doing anything.

I'm cool with the Joe-Shmoe's of the galaxy getting #50th place rewards for doing nothing if it means it makes managing my guild that much easier. Fair? not really, but it's not like those Joe-Shmoe's are getting ahead of dedicated players or anything. Let the rewards expire within a reasonable timeframe and chances are the Joe-Shmoe's won't even claim their non-participation throphy.
The downside is small compared to the upside imo.
ps. I loved typing Joe-Shmoe's that often xD