Sector 3 Doubt feat is bugged

"TVF;c-2443010" wrote:

"Braezac;c-2443002" wrote:
No other feat has ever excluded passive application

I'm reasonably sure that's not true.

I'm more than sure because of using Traya to get purge and similar feats where I don't have Inqs, etc.

"burby888;c-2443251" wrote:
There are definitely some bugs with the attempt to inflict feats. It’s only counting when the debuff lands not the attempts like stuns in sector 2 and stagger in sector 3

Many debuffs are inflicted after damage, so if the damage would kill the unit it wouldn't try to inflict the debuff and wouldn't count.

"Braezac;c-2443382" wrote:

"Captain_Drogan;c-2443020" wrote:


It's absolutely no different than the inflict plague feat. Also, the "We have returned" feat was worded "Gain we have returned xx times".... It's two completely different wordings and applications.

Exactly, wording counts! If a toon gets 'inflicted' how does that not meet the requirement to 'inflict'?

Also, I don't play NS so I can't compare plague feat, does any NS spread it passively that is not counting?

Unfortunately it is the way CG codes stuff. Many debuffs that spread or applied when something happens to the enemy are actually (coded) applied by the enemy unit and not the player unit.

"Captain_Drogan;c-2443387" wrote:


The feat is demanding that the player inflicts doubt on the enemy unit(s), when the doubt spreads from one unit to the other, the player isn't the one inflicting it.

Can you explain the difference between between the spreading of doubt by Malgus, and the spreading of evasion down by BSF?? I just got the evasion down feat in 4 battles, 2 applications of fear each. By your logic, I should only have 24, for the three debuffs that were applied when I pushed the button, not the two that occurred when the fear expired.

"scuba;c-2443554" wrote:


Unfortunately it is the way CG codes stuff. Many debuffs that spread or applied when something happens to the enemy are actually (coded) applied by the enemy unit and not the player unit.

Same question to you: Can you explain the difference between between the spreading of doubt by Malgus, and the spreading of evasion down by BSF?? I just got the evasion down feat in 4 battles, 2 applications of fear each. By your logic, I should only have 24, for the three debuffs that were applied when I pushed the button, not the two that occurred when the fear expired.

"Braezac;c-2443689" wrote:

"scuba;c-2443554" wrote:


Unfortunately it is the way CG codes stuff. Many debuffs that spread or applied when something happens to the enemy are actually (coded) applied by the enemy unit and not the player unit.

Same question to you: Can you explain the difference between between the spreading of doubt by Malgus, and the spreading of evasion down by BSF?? I just got the evasion down feat in 4 battles, 2 applications of fear each. By your logic, I should only have 24, for the three debuffs that were applied when I pushed the button, not the two that occurred when the fear expired.

Your enemy is appying the doubt to thier allies


where as Bastiall is applying evasion down to enemy without the fear marker


the one from when fear expires is coded for her to watch for the fear_expired marker and then she applies the evasion down





Edit:
TLDR; they are coded differently so they count or don't count as programmed
The only consistent thing about the way debuffs are applied is that it is in consistent.

"Captain_Drogan;c-2443691" wrote:

"Braezac;c-2443688" wrote:

"Captain_Drogan;c-2443387" wrote:


The feat is demanding that the player inflicts doubt on the enemy unit(s), when the doubt spreads from one unit to the other, the player isn't the one inflicting it.

Can you explain the difference between between the spreading of doubt by Malgus, and the spreading of evasion down by BSF?? I just got the evasion down feat in 4 battles, 2 applications of fear each. By your logic, I should only have 24, for the three debuffs that were applied when I pushed the button, not the two that occurred when the fear expired.

When you use Malgus' third special, he applies doubt to one enemy character, this is an "active' application of the debuff. The doubt that spreads between units afterwards due to Malgus' unique is not applied by the player (passive) and therefore doesn't count towards the feat.

BSF's fear is inflicted on the target enemy and one other random enemy, but also all other enemies are inflicted with evasion down as per her kit, this is an active application and that's why all of them count.

they where talking about the ones that happen when fear expires.
See my post above for why player gets credit for these

Long ago when DR deathmark wan't counting they went and changed it to be more like bastialla fear
When enemy drops below 50% they apply a marker

deathmark_revan_marker

when DR sees this marker applied he applies Deathmark


before the leader used to apply deathmark to themselves.

"Captain_Drogan;c-2443695" wrote:

"scuba;c-2443693" wrote:

"Captain_Drogan;c-2443691" wrote:

"Braezac;c-2443688" wrote:

"Captain_Drogan;c-2443387" wrote:


The feat is demanding that the player inflicts doubt on the enemy unit(s), when the doubt spreads from one unit to the other, the player isn't the one inflicting it.

Can you explain the difference between between the spreading of doubt by Malgus, and the spreading of evasion down by BSF?? I just got the evasion down feat in 4 battles, 2 applications of fear each. By your logic, I should only have 24, for the three debuffs that were applied when I pushed the button, not the two that occurred when the fear expired.

When you use Malgus' third special, he applies doubt to one enemy character, this is an "active' application of the debuff. The doubt that spreads between units afterwards due to Malgus' unique is not applied by the player (passive) and therefore doesn't count towards the feat.

BSF's fear is inflicted on the target enemy and one other random enemy, but also all other enemies are inflicted with evasion down as per her kit, this is an active application and that's why all of them count.

they where talking about the ones that happen when fear expires.
See my post above for why player gets credit for these

Maybe I am missing something, but where does extra evasion down happen when Fear expires?

2 get feared other 3 get the other debuffs
when the feared is expired it "turns into" those debuffs.

"Captain_Drogan;c-2443701" wrote:

"scuba;c-2443698" wrote:

"Captain_Drogan;c-2443695" wrote:

"scuba;c-2443693" wrote:

"Captain_Drogan;c-2443691" wrote:

"Braezac;c-2443688" wrote:

"Captain_Drogan;c-2443387" wrote:


The feat is demanding that the player inflicts doubt on the enemy unit(s), when the doubt spreads from one unit to the other, the player isn't the one inflicting it.

Can you explain the difference between between the spreading of doubt by Malgus, and the spreading of evasion down by BSF?? I just got the evasion down feat in 4 battles, 2 applications of fear each. By your logic, I should only have 24, for the three debuffs that were applied when I pushed the button, not the two that occurred when the fear expired.

When you use Malgus' third special, he applies doubt to one enemy character, this is an "active' application of the debuff. The doubt that spreads between units afterwards due to Malgus' unique is not applied by the player (passive) and therefore doesn't count towards the feat.

BSF's fear is inflicted on the target enemy and one other random enemy, but also all other enemies are inflicted with evasion down as per her kit, this is an active application and that's why all of them count.

they where talking about the ones that happen when fear expires.
See my post above for why player gets credit for these

Maybe I am missing something, but where does extra evasion down happen when Fear expires?

2 get feared other 3 get the other debuffs
when the feared is expired it "turns into" those debuffs.

Right, missed that....

So, if you look at how Fear expires it's by getting damaged from an attack, which is likely coded as "counting" towards the feat because the player is actively causing the Fear to expire... That's my best guess anyways...

or it is because the bottom part of this that i shared above

"scuba;c-2443690" wrote:

"Braezac;c-2443689" wrote:

"scuba;c-2443554" wrote:


Unfortunately it is the way CG codes stuff. Many debuffs that spread or applied when something happens to the enemy are actually (coded) applied by the enemy unit and not the player unit.

Same question to you: Can you explain the difference between between the spreading of doubt by Malgus, and the spreading of evasion down by BSF?? I just got the evasion down feat in 4 battles, 2 applications of fear each. By your logic, I should only have 24, for the three debuffs that were applied when I pushed the button, not the two that occurred when the fear expired.

Your enemy is appying the doubt to thier allies


where as Bastiall is applying evasion down to enemy without the fear marker


the one from when fear expires is coded for her to watch for the fear_expired marker and then she applies the evasion down





Edit:
TLDR; they are coded differently so they count or don't count as programmed
The only consistent thing about the way debuffs are applied is that it is in consistent.