Start hoarding mods (edited)

"TVF;c-1595134" wrote:
You have to level a grey mod to see if any speed shows.

It sounded to me, based on what they said in the initial post, that we'll know what secondary stats will be on mods before they're leveled up. That said, the road ahead post was reaaaally vague, so that might not be the case at all.

"Ravens1113;c-1595311" wrote:
So their solution to something that wasn’t really all that complicated in the first place was to make it 10x more complicated...ummm....ooooook?

Haha, I was about to say this. I love CG, we are going to make mods simpler to use by adding another RNG mechanic that most players won't have a clue how to use efficiently- *introduce slicing*.

So am I getting this straight, best thing now is to buy/farm green/blue mods, upgrade once or twice if blue and then use the slicing mat to hopefully get an extra 5/6 speed ?

My speculation is to buy as many good mods from the mod store as possible right now. They said the change to mod store was temporary and I fear the slicing mechanic will result in them reverting mod store back to how it was. I could be wrong, I usually am, but this is my strategy.

"Edward;c-1595361" wrote:

"Empiric1;c-1595354" wrote:

"Ravens1113;c-1595311" wrote:
So their solution to something that wasn’t really all that complicated in the first place was to make it 10x more complicated...ummm....ooooook?

Haha, I was about to say this. I love CG, we are going to make mods simpler to use by adding another RNG mechanic that most players won't have a clue how to use efficiently- *introduce slicing*.

So am I getting this straight, best thing now is to buy/farm green/blue mods, upgrade once or twice if blue and then use the slicing mat to hopefully get an extra 5/6 speed ?

Best thing is to buy mods with speed and upgrade to lv 9~12 now, we may need Cantina energy to farm the materials used for slicing, there is drop rate to consider too.

False. You should NEVER upgrade a blue or green to 9 or 12 by default. Greens should be upgraded to level 3, where they will always improve the existing secondary stat once (we are talking only about mods with speed secondary here). Upgrading a green past level three will only reveal new secondary stats. It will not further improve secondary speed. For blues, you can upgrade to 6 to get the two upgrades to secondary stats at levels 3 and 6, with a 75 percent chance for one speed upgrade and a 25 percent chance for 2. Purples can be leveled to 9 for a chance at three upgrades.

The reason to do that NOW is that when the changes go through, upgrading lower tier mods will first show hidden secondary stats BEFORE upgrading one of those stats once all four are revealed. That means that instead of leveling a green with secondary to 3 and always getting an upgrade to speed, you would have to level it to 12 to first reveal the theee hidden stats and then upgrade one of the four stats. This means it will cost you 168k credits to level to 12 for a 25 percent chance at one improvement to speed as opposed to 13.5k credits for a 100 percent chance at a speed improvement. A blue which now costs 36k credits to level to 6 for a 75 percent chance at one speed upgrade and a 25 percent chance at two upgrades will require 168k credits to level to 12 for a 43.75 percent chance at one improvement and a 6.25 percent chance at two improvements. Higher cost per mod to find out whether speed will improve with a lower chance to see speed upgrade.

IF you level a green to 3, a blue to 6 or a purple to 9 and are satisfied with the improvement to secondary speed, you can go ahead and level it all the way to 15 and start using it. Then when the update happens, you can slice those mods for additional chances at improvement.

You also seem to be under the false impression that mods will not improve stats under the new system from leveling and will only do so via slicing. That is only true for gray mods. Under the new system, leveling a mod to 12 will give a green mod one secondary stat inprovement (random one improvement to any of the four secondary stats revealed via leveling to 9), blues will get two improvements (could be two to the same random stat or one improvement to two different stats), purples will get three, and golds will get four.

Slicing mods will upgrade the tier of lower level mods, simulataneously giving them the additional random stat improvement they would have gotten if they had been that tier when you leveled them. So you could slice a gray mod four times to get four random stat improvements as you would have gotten for leveling a gold mod to 12. Greens could be sliced three times, blues twice and purples once. Gold mods will not be sliceable. If you already had lower tier mods that you upgraded under the current system for better odds at a lower cost to see whether they improved, you will be able to slice them for a chance to further improve their speed and make them as good as a gold mod that improved speed multiple times.

"SoonerJBD;c-1595532" wrote:

"Edward;c-1595361" wrote:

"Empiric1;c-1595354" wrote:

"Ravens1113;c-1595311" wrote:
So their solution to something that wasn’t really all that complicated in the first place was to make it 10x more complicated...ummm....ooooook?

Haha, I was about to say this. I love CG, we are going to make mods simpler to use by adding another RNG mechanic that most players won't have a clue how to use efficiently- *introduce slicing*.

So am I getting this straight, best thing now is to buy/farm green/blue mods, upgrade once or twice if blue and then use the slicing mat to hopefully get an extra 5/6 speed ?

Best thing is to buy mods with speed and upgrade to lv 9~12 now, we may need Cantina energy to farm the materials used for slicing, there is drop rate to consider too.

False. You should NEVER upgrade a blue or green to 9 or 12 by default. Greens should be upgraded to level 3, where they will always improve the existing secondary stat once (we are talking only about mods with speed secondary here). Upgrading a green past level three will only reveal new secondary stats. It will not further improve secondary speed. For blues, you can upgrade to 6 to get the two upgrades to secondary stats at levels 3 and 6, with a 75 percent chance for one speed upgrade and a 25 percent chance for 2. Purples can be leveled to 9 for a chance at three upgrades.

The reason to do that NOW is that when the changes go through, upgrading lower tier mods will first show hidden secondary stats BEFORE upgrading one of those stats once all four are revealed. That means that instead of leveling a green with secondary to 3 and always getting an upgrade to speed, you would have to level it to 12 to first reveal the theee hidden stats and then upgrade one of the four stats. This means it will cost you 168k credits to level to 12 for a 25 percent chance at one improvement to speed as opposed to 13.5k credits for a 100 percent chance at a speed improvement. A blue which now costs 36k credits to level to 6 for a 75 percent chance at one speed upgrade and a 25 percent chance at two upgrades will require 168k credits to level to 12 for a 43.75 percent chance at one improvement and a 6.25 percent chance at two improvements. Higher cost per mod to find out whether speed will improve with a lower chance to see speed upgrade.

IF you level a green to 3, a blue to 6 or a purple to 9 and are satisfied with the improvement to secondary speed, you can go ahead and level it all the way to 15 and start using it. Then when the update happens, you can slice those mods for additional chances at improvement.

You also seem to be under the false impression that mods will not improve stats under the new system from leveling and will only do so via slicing. That is only true for gray mods. Under the new system, leveling a mod to 12 will give a green mod one secondary stat inprovement (random one improvement to any of the four secondary stats revealed via leveling to 9), blues will get two improvements (could be two to the same random stat or one improvement to two different stats), purples will get three, and golds will get four.

Slicing mods will upgrade the tier of lower level mods, simulataneously giving them the additional random stat improvement they would have gotten if they had been that tier when you leveled them. So you could slice a gray mod four times to get four random stat improvements as you would have gotten for leveling a gold mod to 12. Greens could be sliced three times, blues twice and purples once. Gold mods will not be sliceable. If you already had lower tier mods that you upgraded under the current system for better odds at a lower cost to see whether they improved, you will be able to slice them for a chance to further improve their speed and make them as good as a gold mod that improved speed multiple times.

This is a great explanation, thank you very much! You wrote it better than CG. (give this man a job?)

Also, would you advise to farm as many green/blue mods as you can now before they change it to how they intend it to be change? I don't like that I'm trading a 100% chance of having a 10 speed mod for a 25% chance, at the end of the day, your TW/TB and Raid teams can use these 10 speed mods, only your arena team needs 15+ and above.

"SoonerJBD;c-1595532" wrote:
The reason to do that NOW is that when the changes go through, upgrading lower tier mods will first show hidden secondary stats BEFORE upgrading one of those stats once all four are revealed. That means that instead of leveling a green with secondary to 3 and always getting an upgrade to speed, you would have to level it to 12 to first reveal the theee hidden stats and then upgrade one of the four stats.

I'm going to continue to insist that no one here knows anything because

To better represent the value of the mod, we are separating improving the level of the mod from improving the Tier of the mod. In the future, as you level a mod up to level 15, you will reveal all four secondary stats. You will not see the color change any longer as you level the mod. By revealing the secondary stats prior to leveling up slicing the secondary stats, we’re trying to give players the choice whether they want to invest in a mod before spending anything on it.

She clarified it, but it's still not clear. If you have to level the mod to see the secondaries, you still have to invest to do so...or not?

I think she means before investing slicing materials, as opposed to credits, but who knows for sure?

Let me illustrate the point this way. I am currently farming mods. If, under the current system, I farm 100 green mods that have secondary speed, I can spend 1.35 million credits to level each of them to 3, and all 100 of them will improve speed once. Under the new system, I would have to spend 16.8 million credits to level 100 green mods to 12. On average, 25 of those mods would improve their speed once, while 75 would not. So, the reason to farm now is that 100 mods each with one speed improvement for 1.35 million credits is a hell of a lot better deal than 25 mods with one speed improvement for 16.8 million credits.

Regardless of when I farmed those mods, I would then have the opportunity under the new system to slice those mods for further potential improvement. I would have to spend additional credits to fully level the mods. Then, I would have to spend the slicing materials to upgrade them for a 25 percent chance at one additional speed improvement.

For blues, under the current system it would cost you 3.6 million credits to upgrade 100 mods with secondary speed to level 6. On average, you would end up with 50 mods with one speed improvement, 25 mods with two speed improvements and 25 mods with no speed improvement. Under the new system you would spend 16.8 million credits to upgrade those same 100 mods to level 12, yielding, on average, 38 mods with one speed improvement, 6 mods with two speed improvements and 54 mods with no speed improvements. So, 3.6 million credits for 50 mods with speed upgraded once and 25 with speed upgraded twice or 16.8 million for 38 mods with speed upgraded once and 6 mods with speed upgraded twice.

Again, you would still have to fully level all of the improved mods if you want to slice them for an additional 25 percent chance at speed improvement each time you slice. Chances of successfully slicing speed on the same mod twice in a row would be 6.25 percent, and the odds of a perfect 3 of 3 would be 1.5 percent, and if you want four upgrades on a gray, you have a 0.375 chance.

Now let’s put the cost and odds together for both leveling and slicing to see how much you would have to spend, on average, to get one mod with four secondary speed upgrades.

Gray
Current system and new system would both Give you a 1 in 3 chance of revealing speed as one of the secondary stats on a gray mod. To get one gray mod with speed to upgrade speed all four times, you would need to slice 260 gray mods with speed. To get 260 gray mods to reveal speed, you would need to level, on average, 780 gray mods to level 12 at a cost of 168k each. That would cost roughly 131 million credits. Then you would need to level the 260 that did reveal speed from 12 to 15, at 378k and change each, for a cost of about 98 million credits. You would have to then slice all 260 of those mods once, 65 (1 in 4) a second time, 17(1 in 4) a third time, and 4 (1 in 4) a fourth time. So the total average cost of getting one gray mod to upgrade speed four times would be the energy to farm 780 gray mods, 229 million credits to level mods, plus the materials to slice 346 mods.

I’m sure everyone has all those resources lying around. I will probably do the math later and make a table showing the cost for each tier mod to upgrade each number of times.

To be honest... slicing sounds dumb and annoying.

"Empiric1;c-1595564" wrote:

"SoonerJBD;c-1595532" wrote:

"Edward;c-1595361" wrote:

"Empiric1;c-1595354" wrote:

"Ravens1113;c-1595311" wrote:
So their solution to something that wasn’t really all that complicated in the first place was to make it 10x more complicated...ummm....ooooook?

Haha, I was about to say this. I love CG, we are going to make mods simpler to use by adding another RNG mechanic that most players won't have a clue how to use efficiently- *introduce slicing*.

So am I getting this straight, best thing now is to buy/farm green/blue mods, upgrade once or twice if blue and then use the slicing mat to hopefully get an extra 5/6 speed ?

Best thing is to buy mods with speed and upgrade to lv 9~12 now, we may need Cantina energy to farm the materials used for slicing, there is drop rate to consider too.

False. You should NEVER upgrade a blue or green to 9 or 12 by default. Greens should be upgraded to level 3, where they will always improve the existing secondary stat once (we are talking only about mods with speed secondary here). Upgrading a green past level three will only reveal new secondary stats. It will not further improve secondary speed. For blues, you can upgrade to 6 to get the two upgrades to secondary stats at levels 3 and 6, with a 75 percent chance for one speed upgrade and a 25 percent chance for 2. Purples can be leveled to 9 for a chance at three upgrades.

The reason to do that NOW is that when the changes go through, upgrading lower tier mods will first show hidden secondary stats BEFORE upgrading one of those stats once all four are revealed. That means that instead of leveling a green with secondary to 3 and always getting an upgrade to speed, you would have to level it to 12 to first reveal the theee hidden stats and then upgrade one of the four stats. This means it will cost you 168k credits to level to 12 for a 25 percent chance at one improvement to speed as opposed to 13.5k credits for a 100 percent chance at a speed improvement. A blue which now costs 36k credits to level to 6 for a 75 percent chance at one speed upgrade and a 25 percent chance at two upgrades will require 168k credits to level to 12 for a 43.75 percent chance at one improvement and a 6.25 percent chance at two improvements. Higher cost per mod to find out whether speed will improve with a lower chance to see speed upgrade.

IF you level a green to 3, a blue to 6 or a purple to 9 and are satisfied with the improvement to secondary speed, you can go ahead and level it all the way to 15 and start using it. Then when the update happens, you can slice those mods for additional chances at improvement.

You also seem to be under the false impression that mods will not improve stats under the new system from leveling and will only do so via slicing. That is only true for gray mods. Under the new system, leveling a mod to 12 will give a green mod one secondary stat inprovement (random one improvement to any of the four secondary stats revealed via leveling to 9), blues will get two improvements (could be two to the same random stat or one improvement to two different stats), purples will get three, and golds will get four.

Slicing mods will upgrade the tier of lower level mods, simulataneously giving them the additional random stat improvement they would have gotten if they had been that tier when you leveled them. So you could slice a gray mod four times to get four random stat improvements as you would have gotten for leveling a gold mod to 12. Greens could be sliced three times, blues twice and purples once. Gold mods will not be sliceable. If you already had lower tier mods that you upgraded under the current system for better odds at a lower cost to see whether they improved, you will be able to slice them for a chance to further improve their speed and make them as good as a gold mod that improved speed multiple times.

This is a great explanation, thank you very much! You wrote it better than CG. (give this man a job?)

Also, would you advise to farm as many green/blue mods as you can now before they change it to how they intend it to be change? I don't like that I'm trading a 100% chance of having a 10 speed mod for a 25% chance, at the end of the day, your TW/TB and Raid teams can use these 10 speed mods, only your arena team needs 15+ and above.

The more I do the math on how these changes are likely to affect farming mods, the more I believe they did not want to clearly and fully explain the changes

Yes, I believe the wisest course of action is to farm as many mods as possible now and upgrade any green, blue or purple mods with secondary speed to 3, 6 and 9 respectively to take advantage of the lower cost of seeing how they improve and the better odds of improving secondary speed. If you wait, it appears that you will pay more for lower odds once the changes are put into place.

"Vestrit;c-1596206" wrote:

"SoonerJBD;c-1595937" wrote:

"Vestrit;c-1595853" wrote:
Sooner, what you are ignoring tho is the higher cost of cantina energy now, compared to after the change. when you see all 4 stats you will get a lot more speed sec mods. so it is a decision to make if you value credits over cantina energy really.

Except you have to PAY to see all four stats via leveling each mod. If you pay to level each green mod to 9 so you can see all of its stats, then pay again for level 12 to get your 1 in 4 shot at a speed upgrade, you are going to run out of credits in a matter of days.

yea, my reading comprehension isnt great, i was sure they said all stats would be revealed at the start before we had to invest anything in the mod. they did say the before part, but not the revealed part lol.

so in essence you still dont know which mod is worth investing in until after you have. so on top of not really changing anything in that regard, its essentially a massive nerf to all non gold mods and thats it. BUT you could slice the nerfed ones to maaybe get back to where they would have been or very unlikely make them even better.

The mods you have now keep the stats that they have and any that were not tier A to start with will get the ability to be sliced which could upgrade the existing stats?

Is there a chance they could change it so you don't get a stat bump on green, blue and purple till all stats are revealed? Sure however we all know dev posts are not clear on what they plan and they even went back to change the road ahead to say

By revealing the secondary stats prior to slicing the secondary stats, we’re trying to give players the choice whether they want to invest in a mod before spending anything on it.

So it sounds to me like the leveling parts with credits will not change, stats will bump and show as they currently do. We are just getting a new aspect to be able to get 4 secondary stat bumps on every mod regardless of tier

Green 1 with credits 3 with slicing
Blue 2 with credits 2 with slicing
Purple 3 with credits 1 with slicing
Gold 4 with credits

That said I am leveling all my green, blue and purples on the off chance that they change something with it because it is cheap to do so