The ATT Tank Raid is difficult. (Merged Threads)

"tRRRey;740541" wrote:

"ShaolinPunk;740495" wrote:
I'm interested to see how these play out once we're 85.

Lvl 85 won't make a difference, only roster size will

@ShaolinPunk what, you're going to tell me they are wrong and size DOESNT matter?

She's just being nice to ya man. Size matters.

"ShaolinPunk;740551" wrote:

"tRRRey;740541" wrote:

"ShaolinPunk;740495" wrote:
I'm interested to see how these play out once we're 85.

Lvl 85 won't make a difference, only roster size will

Can I quote you on this? ;)

Of course! :smile: personally I think ships will be mods 2.0 and pave the way for regular guilds to finish heroic AAT

Alright, someone start tracking damage at level 82/83, then see what it's at when you're 85.

Maybe these guys were complaining at level 75 that the Heroic Pit was too hard. :D

After releasing AAT raid, most of us will never finish it even in normal way (Since was released we are still in phase two..) and is not fun anymore..
That is sad... because some of us will never grow our toons like others and from this point, the game will be broken in two, players with money and players without money..
And guess what, EA will be happy and don't care about others without money, their focus is on the dark side :)

I just want a little faster animations, seems good outside that. People need to wait until they have level 85s to conclude if Heroic AAT is too difficult. It's only two cents, take it.

"tRRRey;740541" wrote:

"ShaolinPunk;740495" wrote:
I'm interested to see how these play out once we're 85.

Lvl 85 won't make a difference, only roster size will

I'm not so sure about that. Level 85 will bring g11 for everyone. Roster size is important insofar as the entire guild needs four really strong teams, give or take. Getting toons to g11 will go a long way in getting those strong teams. You just have to keep plugging away at the raid until you can break through and get enough new raid gear to improve your teams.

Increasingly, what the AAT raid is teaching me is that this game is pointless. It was fun for a good long while. I enjoyed collecting and gearing my squads. Although painful, even farming stun cuffs wasn't too bad because there would be a noticeable performance improvement when moving up a gear level.

But now, even my best maxed heroes at gX-XI do jack squat in this raid. There is no motivation to bring more characters up to higher gear level; they won't matter either. What? Spend money to buy gear faster? I did some of that earlier, but what will that get me now? It won't make any difference. My whole guild would have to spend thousands of dollars each to build their rosters enough to finish this raid in a reasonable number of days. That isn't going to happen.

So I sit here and see with increasing clarity that the new gear is completely out of reach. My guild is finally half way through P4 Normal. I can expect to get maybe 20 pieces of salvage out of it. My reward for 2.5 weeks of mindless grinding. If I am extremely lucky, in two months I may have enough to craft a piece, but I doubt it. I will never get any of this new gear.

Now I'm all out of crystals, and not buying any more.

"sying;740556" wrote:

"No_Try;740509" wrote:

"V1p3rdyn4sty;740434" wrote:

"UltimateZeus;740427" wrote:

"Malthael;740076" wrote:
Thinking about this the last couple of days, and I believe the devs strategy in this game (right or wrong) is based on frustration.
They want people frustrated enough they will spend money, thats why the events don't get announced with some time in advance for people to prepare or because things are overtuned etc..
Again, they need to make money and it seems to be working out, the frustration seems to be a good drive. For me personally, I spend the most on double drop events and other enjoyable things. But yea the frustration gets to me, dunno if it hold me to the game on the long run tho.

Unfortunately this is true but it is also a fine line. Frustration will get you to pay but only if paying will

"V1p3rdyn4sty;740412" wrote:

"UltimateZeus;740370" wrote:

"V1p3rdyn4sty;740344" wrote:
Thousands of guilds have completed an aat raid. A high percentage are normal raids, but they are finishing. Stop trying to get the aat raid nerfed because, your guild sucks.

False. Our guild is ranked 1000 and we're still busy with our first AAT raid. There are therefore definitely less than 1000 guilds that have completed an AAT raid... and I think the number is a lot less.

How are u ranked 1000 in the tank raid when u haven't finished one :p

Ah didn't know there were separate leaderboards. I only saw one. Will have a look again.

I'm sorry if this is coming off on the harsh side. I'm just tired of reading all these anti aat raid threads. Like so many people have said, wait until your guild members are level 85 and expand their roster, to include the raid specific characters.

What exactly do you expect hitting level 85 to change?

Are you serious?

Oh, wait, you're serious.

The new goal is to get your entire guild working towards level 85; farming the right toons; modding those toons; all getting as much damage as possible for the new raid. Once that is happening, a heroic AAT raid should be a lot easier. Any tier should be easier, really.

Look, a lot of guilds are already completing the raid. I'm sorry yours isn't. I'm sorry people are rage quiting. I think a lot of those people are short sighted, myself. I don't know why anyone thought the new raid was going to be easy. It's certainly not easy. But it will be, given a guild with good leadership and clear direction.

My point is the difference the new level cap/gear brings is miniscule compared to 2-3 gear levels previous cap raise brought. Nothing will magically change one we all hit 85. Me and many other in my guild already have the raid viable rosters. And I won't break it apart because all of a sudden -this is what it takes-.

There is a lot of ground between uncontrollably easy like rancor to extremely hard like AAT. What percent of the total existing guilds would you consider a raid to be decently hard? How many of those guilds have been able to complete it without the current hopping gap or without going through a merger? Have you played normal and see it as a viable alternative for the guilds that can't do heroic? Are you of the opinion this move didn't create paygrade seperation between the playerbase and it's all fine and expected?

Think the issue is a question of scale. Leveling to 85 will certainly make it a little easier, but it's not going to increase the damage output of your team by 50%. And most people that aren't completing heroic aren't even getting through P3.

Moreover, the gear required to take toons like Rey, Leia, Wiggs, etc to g11 is blocked by the new raid, and given how slowly the normal goes (our guild takes 5-7 days), it'll take a long time for us to get them there.

Most of the improvement must come strictly from farming and gearing the right teams, and a lot of them. Even for people that did farm Jawa and Jedi, they need to gear up droids, or some other dps teams to get through the final 2-3 percent.

Basically, the issue is that most people are off by far more than the 10% or whatever extra dmg 85 would give you. This puts undue pressure on guilds either to trade up or progress by the progress of their weakest links.