Edit: Two points to make here. Point 1 most will not agree with, but clearly that's subjective. Point 2 will likely garner much more support.Point 1: Since Uniques can no longer apply after death, it's high time we take a serious look at all the Uniques applying after such. Boba, SRP, Old Ben to name a few. Rules are rules, and we should be consistent. And why does Zader's Leader Ability for debuffs end upon his death? That should be a Unique.Point 2: Leader Ability: If a Leader dies his Leader ability should end, IMO. However, the next in command's (based on position on the battle screen) should kick in. Only way to be consistent and fair, plus the gameplay would be insanely enjoyable with the amount of real strategy involved (which is what this game should be about, first and foremost), and not just about muscling your way through.

"Morpheus;c-1075013" wrote:Team should be demoralized when leader dies... Gives tankier leads a bit more value and adds some balance to Rex lead. Unless lead is of a different faction/side, then no morale penalty Why should they be demoralized? In the past have people not rallied in the face of their leaders death? One could argue the team should be stronger after the leaders die.

Except his effect is apon death.

Somehow, there will always exception. Consistency is something rare, and only have by..Btw, anyway, can we talk about SRP who have similar effect. :flushed:

"Grpeephole303;c-1074810" wrote:Except his effect is apon death.They're dead! If we are going to talk in terms of reality, what dead individual can apply an ability after such?The argument from the community has been Uniques "persisting" after Death. However, the Devs have made it clear that Uniques will no longer apply after Death. Slightly different argument but same outcome.

Uniques vs Leader Ability: Inconsistent Inconsistencies!

VertigoBeast
8 years ago
"SnakesOnAPlane;c-1074842" wrote:
"Grpeephole303;c-1074838" wrote:
The issue is..... its apllied as hes dying.... therefore still effects after death

You can't apply something to yourself or to others after Death. It takes another alive to apply that to make it work (i.e. James Bond dying and reviving in Casino Royale).

Regardless, the character DIES, yet the effect applies and/or persists after such. That's not logical nor in agreeable to the rules. Your argument is weak and stretching. Mine is solid.

See now here's where I'm just gonna point out. Barriss is totally not WAI like this. DOTs apply at the beginning of the turn before a character goes, and Barriss cleanses someone at the END of her turn. Yet if she dies from DOTs she still cleanses someone... which would mean she's cleansing someone after she dies. Which really shouldn't happen. So while half of this thread is obviously joking... I'll give it a real circumstance that might want to be checked out.
SnakesssOnAPlan
8 years ago
"Vertigo;c-1074849" wrote:
"SnakesOnAPlane;c-1074842" wrote:
"Grpeephole303;c-1074838" wrote:
The issue is..... its apllied as hes dying.... therefore still effects after death

You can't apply something to yourself or to others after Death. It takes another alive to apply that to make it work (i.e. James Bond dying and reviving in Casino Royale).

Regardless, the character DIES, yet the effect applies and/or persists after such. That's not logical nor in agreeable to the rules. Your argument is weak and stretching. Mine is solid.

See now here's where I'm just gonna point out. Barriss is totally not WAI like this. DOTs apply at the beginning of the turn before a character goes, and Barriss cleanses someone at the END of her turn. Yet if she dies from DOTs she still cleanses someone... which would mean she's cleansing someone after she dies. Which really shouldn't happen. So while half of this thread is obviously joking... I'll give it a real circumstance that might want to be checked out.

This is another good observation and valid point of course. Thank you sharing!
daddyngo007
8 years ago
WAI. Move on please
boulywif
8 years ago
There's a difference between effects applying after death and persisting effects. In no way, SRP, Boba or Old Ben apply those effects when they're alive, so it's WAI. In opposite, you have effects like Bariss, Chirrut, Baze, Wedge or Biggs that shouldn't persist after death since they're a boost to the team or some partners during the battle.
For me, it's a strategy to include during the battle. When you fight Old Ben (or fought since there's not a lot anymore), you know that you have to kill him last, but it can also be a strategy to let him alone in a Maul team or R2 team so he's killed first and apply his boost to the whole team after death.

Now, your second point is nice and can be an improvment in the battle. If the leader is dead, so the next toon takes his place as leader. It can be fun.
TyBird0027
8 years ago
"SnakesOnAPlane;c-1074818" wrote:
"Grpeephole303;c-1074810" wrote:
Except his effect is apon death.

They're dead! If we are going to talk in terms of reality, what dead individual can apply an ability after such?

The argument from the community has been Uniques "persisting" after Death. However, the Devs have made it clear that Uniques will no longer apply after Death. Slightly different argument but same outcome.

Have you not seen the original trilogy? Old Ben clearly tells Darth Vader what will happen "If You Strike Me Down." I don't see anything wrong with his unique giving allies a buff. Maybe the developers can change the name to a "unique-passive" and allow it to bypass those new changes.

Yes, I understand your reasoning about real dead people not being able to apply abilities to others. I personally don't know anyone who can. However, there is a huge flaw in your argument due to this being a game. A game of Star Wars at that.
SnakesssOnAPlan
8 years ago
"BulYwif;c-1074875" wrote:
There's a difference between effects applying after death and persisting effects. In no way, SRP, Boba or Old Ben apply those effects when they're alive, so it's WAI.

Both Old Ben and SRP apply buff affects to allies after Death that persist (for 2 turns of each toon). Persist definition = Be prolonged. Based upon now written rules by the Devs, Uniques clearly cannot function after Death.

Boba's clearly does by reviving him, and especially if it has a Zeta. SRP has a very similar additional part to his Unique.
SnakesssOnAPlan
8 years ago
"TyGonJinn27;c-1074881" wrote:
Yes, I understand your reasoning about real dead people not being able to apply abilities to others. I personally don't know anyone who can. However, there is a huge flaw in your argument due to this being a game. A game of Star Wars at that.

Then you understand the rules given by the Devs: Uniques can NOT function after death.
Shadowrenderer
8 years ago
I'm fine with Old Ben's unique as is. The whole point is to buff his allies after/as he dies. And, it's kinda canon. Toons that revive themselves, I'm fine with that too. It's built into their unique.

But leader abilities and other buffs, they should never continue after death unless specifically stated.
449710430e37db5
8 years ago
"SnakesOnAPlane;c-1074920" wrote:
"TyGonJinn27;c-1074881" wrote:
Yes, I understand your reasoning about real dead people not being able to apply abilities to others. I personally don't know anyone who can. However, there is a huge flaw in your argument due to this being a game. A game of Star Wars at that.

Then you understand the rules given by the Devs: Uniques can NOT function after death unless specifically stated.

Let me correct that for you.

Edit: And ignoring the first part which is obvious trolling, Leader dying and passing the mantle to next in command might be an interesting mechanic. In terms of current meta, it would help out Dark Side more with so many of them having Leadership abilities compared to Light Side which has more Uniques than Leadership abilities.
boulywif
8 years ago
"SnakesOnAPlane;c-1074920" wrote:
"TyGonJinn27;c-1074881" wrote:
Yes, I understand your reasoning about real dead people not being able to apply abilities to others. I personally don't know anyone who can. However, there is a huge flaw in your argument due to this being a game. A game of Star Wars at that.

Then you understand the rules given by the Devs: Uniques can NOT function after death.

Uniques cannot function after death if the boost given by this unique was effective during lifetime of the toon. It's how it's working now.
Uniques that are applied ONLY after death are different. Otherwise, those uniques are really unuseful since they could never apply.