Re: mini fridge should have been counter compatible

@PugLove888I'm from Norway so maybe that's why I'm quite used to having the trashcan under the sink. I might have confused trashcan and trashbin :D but we have the trashcans with the plasic bags or "enviroemntal friendly" bags stored under the sink or in cabinets. We still have to take out the trash as everyone else, but it's just more convinent to have it stored there for us. I'd personlly just like to have more choices in sims.

It is more of the scandinavian style of kitchens maybe.

When it comes to the stove they should have made it so that you can put the oven under the stove if youæs like or keep them seperate. Just really love the style of keeping the cabinet but having the induction stove on top. Maybe also be able to put  the oven on the tall cabinets in the middle like some kitchen have. There are so many different kitchen styles that are out there and I wish sims would make it possible to have more functional varieties.

I love the sims so much and building is my absolute favorite thing, but after five years and the development in tecnology I feel like we should have gotten more. At least have more options and not just another bar that is just looking a little different.

I've seen that there is a lot in the sims that is just the same, just a different "style" on it. Like the fireplaces. There are no fireplace that is small and modern. They all look very similar in the shape. I've seen so many amazing cc creators that make free stuff that has more varietythan what we pay for in the packs.

@kameo123, yes there are some differences in how houses are set up in different countries.  I enjoy watching a show called House Hunters International, where people look for a new home all over the world.  I've noticed in some countries it is common to put the laundry machines in the bathroom, while other countries put them in the kitchen.  In the U.S. we usually put them in a small room by themselves, or in older houses with basements we will put them down there.  Some countries do not have ovens at all in the average kitchen.  

I do know some people who put their trash under the sink in the U.S. but it seems to be more up to the individual family.😉 

And I can see the desire to make your Sims' houses match what you have in your country.  That is only natural! 🙂 Some people were puzzled as to why the dorms in Discover University didn't have kitchens in them , only a mini fridge and microwave.  In the U.S. that is common in order to avoid fires.  Some dorms in the U.S. do have a cafeteria in the common area, but others don't have that at all and the main areas to eat are the Student Commons, just like in Discover University.

I agree with you about the bars in the game!  There are way too many, which is silly since many people don't have a bar in their home at all. 🤨  (But I do like the one that came with Discover University 😳😃 ) 

Yes, the small modern fireplaces were present in the Sims 2 and the Sims 3! 🙂 The were kind of round  and tapered at the top.  I miss those as well!  I don't know why they are absent in The Sims 4. 🤔  Hopefully we will get it back for TS4 eventually! 🤞

The house I grew up in had the stove on set in the countertop above some cabinets and the oven on the wall with cabinets above and below it.  When I remade that house for TS4, I just had to put the stove-oven combination where my mom's stove would be, and instead of an oven in the wall, I just put floor cabinets that wen from floor to ceiling.  It works, but I would rather have had the two separated, just like you mentioned!  🙌

@PugLove888Oh I love watching documentaries like that! Seeing different styles and cultures represented in houses is dacinating and inspirational.

Becasue I enjoy trying to make "cultural" houses that match someones backroun, I loved the build and buy stuff from jungle adventure: It opened up so many different things that matched some of the more south American styled objects and flooring we had. The only annoying thing is the swathces. Why don't some of the woood swatches match"!?!?!?

That is one major problem I find with new packs. There should be a set of wood tones that all build and buy objects should have. They do remebr to put in a completly white and black in the newer packs, but sometimes I want a more natural wood tone and I am stuck with just a few that match. Therefor all my builds have white windos mostly 😃

We have our washer and dryer in the basement, but in our old house we had it in a seperate room. I forget to make a seperate room for it in sims so it just ends up in one of the bathrooms 😃

I loved the bar from DU it was so perfect and with the thingy on top made it more unique.

I struggle a lot with trying to make my house becuase we have split leveling with out dinigroom and livingroom. It just looks wonkey and can't put the dors to the patio outside because of the walls and stuff.

I've actually downloaded two new kitchen sets (cc) today that work really well with modern and traditional houses. I find myself going on cc shopping sprees quite often lately. I've downloaded in total 17 kitchen sets 👿 And I've mostly downloaded all of peacemakers objects sets cc as well.

If the sims made more content that was comepletly new, like L-shaped sofas or bunkbeds I think a lot of cc creators could make different styles ofr that so that everyone could have more options. Thats mostly what I wish for the sims to do.

Do you use any cc? I personally only stick with maxis match

@kameo123, Yes I also love learning about different cultures!  I love the Jungle Adventure Pack, Island Living Pack ,  and the City Living Pack for those reasons!  ❤️  And I agree about the lack of matching swatches!  There should be a standard range of wood tones with several shades of brown and also a black, white, and gray wood swatch! 

Most of my builds have white windows too! But I usually just download from the Gallery as I am not the greatest at making houses, and am much better at making Sims! 😃

Most houses in the U.S. that don't have basements have traditionally had the laundry located in a small room connecting the kitchen to the garage.  (And really old houses without basements have the laundry in the actual garage) But the trend in newer houses is if your house is a 2 story house, the laundry is now upstairs where most of the bedrooms and bathrooms are.  This makes it easy to wash all the bedding , clothes, and bathroom towels! 💡🙌 

I don't play with laundry in the game too much and when I do, I like the wash tub and clothes line! 😉

Ooh, split levels are so hard to do in TS4! 😞 I hope you can find a way to make your house!   I had a childhood friend with a fantastic split level home (it had 4 levels that were separated by half-staircases and one side of the house was built into a hill.  But I can't make it in the game, and that really makes me sad!  ☹️  

No, I don't use CC in TS4, but I used to in TS2 and TS3.  I used a lot of CC in TS2! 😃  But when playing TS3, I had a lot of problems with Mods and CC so I took it all out and have never played with it after that! 😢 I also don't really want to go through the upkeep of using CC and Mods, and then sorting through all of them when an outdated item messes up my game. 😞 But when I did use CC I had a lot of items since it was so hard to not keep adding items!  And while I won't use it in TS4, if I were going to, I would probably use Maxis Match items since they look the best with the items that come with the game! 🙂

I saw someone on YouTube make an L-shaped sofa with some of the furniture we got with Discover University.  You just have to use the  bb.moveobjects on cheat and hold down the Alt key to position it just right. 
And yes, I really want bunk beds!!!! 🙌  I think almost everyone does! 😇

Oh tahts so cool with the laundery. I should really start to plan my builds more. I really don't plan them enough when it comes to rooms and such if I don't have sims already made for that lot.

The woodswatch problem is a serious issue. I feel like they should have done it from the sart so that the task isn't too big to fix now.

I tried making my house several times but we live in a slope so it's super difficult making it look good. And the sizing with rooms, stairs and doors is impossible to match.

HOW DO YOU PLAY WITHOUT CC!!!!!!!!!! I honestly can't play without it! I have the four collums in cas and I have also downloaded so marny witch hats, hairs, clothes and everything. I feel like with cc is that once you start you becoma a addict and hoarder. I have around 3k cc items I think or more. It's riddiculous. But it improves my game so much that I think I'd struggle if I went back to being cc free.

The upkeep hasn't been problematic, EXCEPT for whrn the dicover univeristy patch came up and it ruined my whole game. That was stressfull and horrible. It was the only time it had happened tho. Otherwise it has been really nice.

I love playing with simcity loans since I can make my sim take a morgage and then build a beautiful house, and pay it down like irl. Makes for more realisic gameplay and motivates me to actually make a family and not use cheats.

Ohh yeah the new sofas from Discover Univesity is perfect for making L-shaped sofas. I downloaded a sofa set that had L-shaped sofa in it and it works so well! Uses the loungechair animation from the island living update.

I think bunkbeds would have been amazing for city living and university. Could make a really cheep dorm with bunkbeds and such or have cute sibling rooms with bunkbeds.

Honestly I'm waiting for the sims 5, Really wanna see what they could make withthe current tecnology and improve the game series with the feedback and experience from sims 4.

I rearly play in livemode because it gets boring really quick. My sims stay at home and go to work and thats it. I miss the open world or some sort of freedom that would make it easier to just travel without having to go through a loadscreen. Also I miss the usage of cars and bikes to travel from work back home and everything. It runs a lot better with sims 4 and the restrictions, but hopefully they might include more openworld in sims 5 or open neighbourhoods at least. AND MORE LOTS! I miss habing many lots and being able to place down more lots. I fill up newcrest so fast it's crazy!

@kameo123, yes, I agree that they should have provided the right wood swatches from the beginning … and I agree that now it is almost too late because it would take a lot of extra work to fix it!  If it was done early it would have been easier.🤨

Sorry to hear about the difficulties you have in making your split-level house.😞  I think split levels are so interesting ❤️🙌, and it is a shame we can't really do them in the game. ☹️ I've seen a few that kind of get around the restrictions and work somewhat, but not really in the way most split-levels are designed. 

It is easy to play without CC since I've never used it in TS4! 😃 In all honesty, it was much harder to get rid of it in TS3 since I had grown attached to many of the items! I remember a doll I downloaded that caused all kinds of problems! ☹️  Then I think I also had an outdate Mod that was problematic.  I had to get rid of a lot of items and just found it better to get rid of everything so I wouldn't have to worry about more problems.  I would have had to get rid of my CC anyway in TS3 because the game was so unstable even without CC that not even half way through its reign, it was almost unplayable! 😢

And I know what you mean by hording CC items because I did that in TS2. 😃  Another reason not for me to do it in TS4 because like you, it just wouldn't be a few items of CC , but thousands! 😮😳

You can also make L-shaped sofas  with the couch that was included in My First Pets Stuff, but I didn't mention that because a lot of people don't have that pack Also, that sofa has a lot of pet-themed swatches, and those won't work for every home. 😉

City Living would have been perfect for bunk beds!!!🙌 University would have worked but I haven't seen too many dorms with them, at least where I live.  

I'm not much of a builder.  I was better at it in the original Sims and didn't do too bad in TS2. But TS3 I was horrible at it, and with TS4 I find it easier to build than TS3, but I'm still not that good. 🤭😃  I mostly love making families and I play a lot in Live Mode!!!  
I never get bored in Live Mode.  But i have different playing styles based on my mood (ironically! ) for each time I play.  I usually love playing large familes (and there is never a dull moment with them!) .  I also tell stories.  This was best done with TS2, but I still do it with TS4!  

I also really love to experiment in the game!  I will test certain things out for people here to see if I can reproduced it in my game and then help them figure out if they are experiencing a bug that needs to be reported, or if they just went about something in the wrong way, or if there is something else wrong with their game.  This is another reason why it is best if I don't use Mods and even CC , as there is no way I can get all the CC that each person has, so it is best to test with a vanilla game.  And even though it isn't as common, CC can create problems with gameplay.  

But I also experiment for my own enjoyment.  I spent a large part of the Summer/Fall of 2018 experimenting with Vampire/Alien hybrids.  They were glitchy because they weren't supposed to be in the game, but it was fun to see how the combination played out! 🥳  But with the last patch it was supposed to put a stop to that, so it will be interesting when I go back to my family that is like this and see what happened after the patch.🤓


I also will sometimes play in a goal-oriented manner.  But I almost never play rotationally, so I don't run out of room for all the wonderful houses that I download from the Gallery, and I just make a new Save Game for each family I play.  (Once in a while I will play rotationally, but I don't like it since I like to be in control of my Sims! ).  So, while I don't need more lots because of how I like to play, I do want more lots for all those people who play rotationally! 🤞  Since that is how most people play, it is really, really needed in the game! 🤨

Finally there are alwyas Challenges to do if you get bored.  I was did the Wonder Child Challenge and was going to use that Sim to do an Apocalypse Challenge, but I think I might do a Doctor Who Challenge instead! ❤️❤️

And I'm still finding out things everyday that are hidden in the game, so no, I never get bored! 🥳

That said, I did get bored in TS3.  I hated the open world because they were almost always empty! 😠  All the Sims would be in their homes when my Sim wanted to socialize outside of their household.  The worlds in TS3 were like giant ghosttowns.  Go to a park or bar and nobody would be there.  Wait for hours and still nobody will show up.  Then as you have to leave, someone finally shows up but your Sim is too exhausted to socialize! 😞  At least with TS4 the loading screens are only about 30 seconds long (no big deal at all!) and there are always people at the venue when my Sims arrive! ❤️  If there isn't right away, they always arrive very shortly after! 🙌

And then there is the biggest problem with TS3 and the open worlds... they caused most people's games to go incredibly slow and many people's games would grind to a complete halt!!!!!! 😬😢  The game was pretty much unplayable.  😞  When my game didn't grind to a halt, I would often wait 20 minutes for it to start working again.... much, much longer than a little 30 second loading screen!!!! 🤨  So I don't miss the open worlds at all!  They took exponentially longer to do anything with (when the game actually worked) and then when your arrived at your destination the world was empty!  So a huge wait for absolutely not payoff!  I was angry all the time playing TS3.  Good thing I loved to read, because even though I'm an avid reader, I never read so much as when I was waiting for TS3 to do something! 😃  TS4 , on the other hand loads like a dream and doesn't give me these types of problems. 🙌

TS3 had great ideas on paper, but in reality they didn't work. If we ever get an open world (like with TS5 or TS6) the only way I would be happy about them is if they actually work, don't slow down or stop my game, and aren't' empty! 🤔  But I don't know if that is possible . 

I am curious with what they might do with TS5 (if there is going to be a TS5).  It will be exciting to see. 🙌  My favorite version of the Sims is TS2!!! That was the most fascinating, addictive game I've ever played! 🥳 I couldn't stop playing it!🙌❤️ The gameplay was very deep and quirky, and as a storyteller, it was by far the best.❤️  But I do think that TS4 needs more Personality Traits, and for that I wish they would use TS3's Personlaity Trait system! ❤️  It made for more unique characters!  More traits and more trait slots is a wonderful thing! 🙌 And while I do like the moods and moodlets of TS4, I wish the traits didn't just make certain moodlets more likely... I want traits to drive autonomous behavior.  Even though I like to keep control over my Sims, I always prefer when they act on their personalities , which they were more likely to do in both TS2 & TS3! 😇

@PugLove888HII again! Got buisy traveling and visiting the US!!

Yeah the whole split level thing has made me give it up completly. I still fin it fun to so on  some houses, but it doesnt work on recreating my own house. 🤭

The whole bunkbeds thing frustrated me so much yesterday !!! I was building a tiny house and a bunkbed would have been perfect for the two roomates. They're adding the murphy bed in the new pack , but I would have loved to see bunkbeds too or even more.

The whole cc thing is really starting to bug me now. Since dicover university CC has been ruining my game, or the patch has ruined my cc. It's frustrating because I have to locate the problem and work hard to just find the issue. Everything was competly fine untill the patch from today or yesterday. Now the UI in game won't show up. It just buggs 😉 me that the devs make new patches and it makes cc go old. It's not their fault, but it's still frustrating because I've become so used to my game being enhanced by CC. There's a lot I can make and create with all the cc that covers areas which the sims team haven't been focusing on. I tried playing without cc and I felt like it was more difficult to create diverse houses and sims sice my options got more limited. I hope that for the sims 5 they make it easier to have CC and it not being buggy after just a new patch.

I really hope they're working on the sims 5 tho. It feels like the sims 4 has lived long enough. I love the game, but there are some core gameplay features that makes the game boring after some time. I've done challenges and such, but it's more on the immersion of the game and the way I feel like the sims turn into a ru\outine thing. I play so much in my house becuase theres littel time to go out and then I have to go through loading screens. I wish they added open neighbourhoods and shoppingmalls or gorcerie stores. Would love to have my sims walk to the stor to buy food and clothing. Theres litte reason for them to go out of the house without it just being the bar or the gym.

I'm currently watching the tiny home stream and I'm very excited for this stuffpack! I think it might become the best stuffpack just because of the things we get in it that are versitile and enhance gameplay.

Btw have you checked out Paralives? I'm really positive about the development and it seems to be really cool! I love that it looks quite costumizable, like the bed-functions and the way you can resize all the furniture.

@kameo123, hope your traveling was fun! 🥳 The US is so large that you can see a lot of different places and have not even scratched the surface! 🤨

I'm still hoping that true split level houses will be a thing in TS4! 🤞  I had a childhood friend who had a wonderful split level house that was actually four levels that zigzagged and were separated by little mini staircases! ❤️ I've tried to recreate that house for days, and just can't do it.  (Granted I'm not much of a builder! 😳)  But I bet it is way more frustrating to not be able to build your own house in the game! 😞

If they have to choose between a murphy bed and bunk beds in this pack, I do agree that a murphy bed is better for this pack... however, bunk beds should have either been included in City Living or in the Kid's Room Stuff Pack! 🤨  But I'm sure they are trying to figure out how to make bunks work in TS4, and if and when they figure it out, they will be thrilled to give them to us! I'm sure they are sick of us mentioning them, to say the least! 😃  Still, I don't understand why ladders weren't included in the Tiny Living pack since they already have the animation (pool and deck ladders) and a great many of tiny homes use ladders in real life... far more than bunk beds or even murphy beds! 🤨

That is why I don't use CC or Mods any more.  I used one mod in TS1 and used both Mods and CC in TS2 and TS3.  Had huge problems with them in TS3 😢, so I quit them all cold turkey! 😞  I've never used them in TS4.  

But that is the problem . The TS4 developers need to continue to add to the game until the game ends or is near its end.  Since we have at least 2 more years , we have 2 more years of development on the way.  I want the game to develop, as do most people ! 🙌  But it is impossible for EA to develop around all the existing Mods and CC (and even if they could, who is to stop someone from making new Mods and CC?!?!? 🤔  So, EA is just making their game and they can't design it around all the things that people want to add to it.  And the only time when Mod and CC creators can make their items to never become outdated is when the last bit of content by EA for TS4 is released.  If you want to play with Mods and CC , that is just something you have to live with and work around! 🤨  I'm too lazy to keep up with all that, so I am one of the people who shouldn't use Mods or CC. 😃  Because I could easily go crazy with CC like I did with TS2!  I was obsessed with dressing my Sims to look like they were from any century except the current one! 🥳

I find reasons to got out to other venues but I do prefer home gameplay.  However, I enjoy the festivals in City Living's San Myshuno and often venture out to those🥳

.  But I love to travel much, much more in TS4 than in TS3.  TS4's 15-30 second loading screen is waaaaay better than TS3's 20-30 minute  wait for the game to start working again 😢 (if it even would... sometimes I had to reboot, and there goes another 20-40 min! 😬 ) And then the venues in TS3 would be empty! 😞  The loading screens in TS4 are so short! 🙌  
So, I don't want open worlds like TS3!!! The only way I could like open worlds is if they fixed them so our computers could still run (and at a decent speed) and didn't have empty lots when you traveled somewhere. 😇

I'm very excited for the Tiny Living Stuff Pack too! 🥳 The items will still work in our larger builds, and will be perfect for those small rooms in a normal sized house that are hard to decorate, not to mention our apartments in City Living, dorms in Discover University (especially with the building cheat), and for homes where you want non-controllable roommates to live with you, since to make them happy they need certain things in their rooms in order to be happy, and a one tile space dresser is perfect for this! 🙌