Too many passive players . IT is ruin the game !

This is why I drop into skull town every time. Its always a fun fight right off the bat. If you lose, you start again....if you win you come out strong and have a good chance for a win...not only because you are looted but you also have some momentum. 

This is a thing i like tbh. Every player/team has is own way to play and cannot be expected to play all the same way. 

I personally like to spend my 10 minutes looting at the very beginning and be ready for the battle more than get the 1st weapon i find and run into a fight having no chances to win.

Fair enough, most of the times i die anyway!

There are loads of areas with different looting levels and if i drop in a low level loot area i look myself before to engage in a fight! 

Chasing kills is not a winning strategy, especially for lower skill level players. The best chance to win for a below-average player is to get only 1 fight in the game - the last one (and spend all game safely looting for better gear). The more fights they take, the less chance they have to ever even see that last duel at all.

Don't judge other players for not wanting to play how you want. Everyone is playing to win however they think is best for them. If you go play random squads you have to adapt in every single game. If you play for kills, well that's your choice, but don't judge people who play to win.

I have >50 wins but I would still consider 100% hiding/avoiding fights the optimal strategy to win, especially now that I get 2-3 care packages for free pretty much every game (everyone seems to be so focused on killing that they completely ignore the best loot in the game...).

P.S. The only way to get better, faster and more efficient at looting is to actually do more looting. I was extremely slow figuring out what goes with what and what I will need at start too.

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@Mast3rMirror wrote:

I don't know if it the size of the map or the loot system that isn't good . But too many games I have too many squad members that are so passive . They can for real loot 1 spot for like 50% of the game before moving out to do something. 

It is becoming so annoying that your teammate going house by house to check . after 3min in game u should have 2 guns armor helm and maybe few heal at this point you should just go and hunt enemies if u want a better loot or more loot. 

This is annoying .

if you point out to someone that need to move to other places they go super defensive as if I cursed them . 

slow people don't win games ! you cannot sit in 1 area with your blue shiled and expect when final fight come you will beat . usually team you going to face already killed like 3-4 squads and armed and have experience fighting as a team already. 

finishing 2nd place after basically not having a single fight until the very end is worse gameplay I can imagine . 

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Which is all just your opinion. The idea is to survive as long as possible.

If you like jumping into fights with the first weapons you grab, great. Just don't expect your team mates to follow suit. They may not have found the weapons or attachments they're happy using, or they may just want to survive as long as possible.

I was terrible lastnight and couldn't catch a break. In one game, a player (with 200+ kills and a ton of damage done on their stats) hoovers up all the loot then just runs off to the sound of gunfire. I had a helmet, Mozamweak and an arc star. There is no way I'm following him into battle.

If I'm not jump master, and my team doesn't jump out in the first 10-15 seconds, I tend to just quit and re-search.

I do not want to play loot hunting for 10 minutes then die to the first people i see, I want action.

People play how they feel comfortable playing. Not everybody wants to hop right in grab a crappy weapon thinking they can take out anything and anyone that comes near them with a Mozamweak. I actually respect the passive players more than I do the "Superleetskills" players in all honesty. They don't rush ahead of their team unlike those just in the game for kills, they don't charge head first in to carepackages when logically you know there's going to be more than just one squad there, they don't pick up EVERYTHING and leave nothing for other people, they select what they want and need carefully for the most part.

They take thier time getting set up, using the EXP system to thier advantage. This game wasn't designed to be a kill fest, it was designed for tactical squad play both in AND OUT of combat. The bulk of your EXP comes form survival and squad play (Revives, Respawns, Damage done/assists, time survived) so to the passive player, while other teams rush to the combat and using up ammo, shield cells, health packs and so on thier team is hoarding up those things so when it comes to combat they are geared up, full of restoratives, ammo and are as fresh as daisies ready to mow down the remaining squads.

Sure it's cool to see some people go on mad as hell kills streaks and showcase thier skills but I can respect the passive players more. It's one reason why I take more notice of the "Damage Done" tracker than kills tracker. You can get a kill doing minimal damage (Seriously I got a kill doing 6 damage once, it was laughable) but the high damage done numbers show more accuracy and team play that straight up kills.

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@ThatFawkzi wrote:

People play how they feel comfortable playing. Not everybody wants to hop right in grab a crappy weapon thinking they can take out anything and anyone that comes near them with a Mozamweak. I actually respect the passive players more than I do the "Superleetskills" players in all honesty. They don't rush ahead of their team unlike those just in the game for kills, they don't charge head first in to carepackages when logically you know there's going to be more than just one squad there, they don't pick up EVERYTHING and leave nothing for other people, they select what they want and need carefully for the most part.

They take thier time getting set up, using the EXP system to thier advantage. This game wasn't designed to be a kill fest, it was designed for tactical squad play both in AND OUT of combat.

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most of these people spend 10-15 minutes looting and wipe on the first fight anyway

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@boolboo wrote:

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@ThatFawkzi wrote:

People play how they feel comfortable playing. Not everybody wants to hop right in grab a crappy weapon thinking they can take out anything and anyone that comes near them with a Mozamweak. I actually respect the passive players more than I do the "Superleetskills" players in all honesty. They don't rush ahead of their team unlike those just in the game for kills, they don't charge head first in to carepackages when logically you know there's going to be more than just one squad there, they don't pick up EVERYTHING and leave nothing for other people, they select what they want and need carefully for the most part.

They take thier time getting set up, using the EXP system to thier advantage. This game wasn't designed to be a kill fest, it was designed for tactical squad play both in AND OUT of combat.

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most of these people spend 10-15 minutes looting and wipe on the first fight anyway

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They last longer than the turbo hoover that runs off to fight after a quick loot, then pings like crazy for a revive when they die. Probably blaming "slow" team mates for not keeping up.

For the size of player base, tactics and styles will vary immensely. I suggest you need to get your head around that fact.

It's just different strategies, both valid. I have won matches using both of them. Your post seems incredibly biased and I'll tell you why:

You say how you will be undergeared if you take it slow. That's not true. You don't go to low level areas or stay at one area. You go to areas that aren't hot drops in that particular game and there are plenty mid-high level areas that are not looted in every match. You dropping in a hot zone and surviving doesn't guarantee you will be well geared. You will kill some squads with same gear you have at the very beginning. Meanwhile, perhaps some squad is looting an area on the other side of the map with bunch of purple stuff, undisturbed.

These things aren't as rigid as your post makes them to be.

Sure, I've lost matches due to passivity and teammates that make too many pauses etc. I also lost matches due to bloodthirsty jumpmasters that aren't exactly gods at fps games, to put it that way.

If you don't know how to play, however, I would advise dropping in a hot zone. Since there are no other modes of play, bots or a well structured training mode, this is a good way to get accelerated game experience, as time spent in a BR game doesn't relate to experience gained, as if it would in other FPS games, precisely due to plenty of downtime. But, if you are experienced, you can afford to drop to a remote, undisturbed location and not have many fights.

My first match ever in Apex was us finishing second and it was my first gunfight and I was completely confused and blind. I have quite an experience with fps games, played quake in tournaments, played fps games from when they were conceived. But, still, there's this sense of disorientation with every new title when you play it. After that, I decided to drop in hot zones and just work on my awareness, adaptation, functioning under pressure.

But, after I got comfortable with the game, now I can afford to drop to an uncontested location and take my time, knowing that when I meet another squad, I'll be completely ready and cool with it.

Both approaches are perfectly fine. Now, if you are absolutely sure you will sweep the floor with any opposition you meet in skulltown (like some of the best players do), then by all means, that's the best tactic for you personally and it makes a perfect sense in a very objective way. Shroud an his squad are absolutely correct in hot dropping, since each one of them can pretty much guarantee several kills even with low level gear against people with no gear or low level gear as well. But, is that really the best strategy for someone who isn't that much above the competition they meet?