Added fleet to kyber GAC...

Not gonna make things any better when the fleets zone already determines the majority of GAC matches (I'm almost positive of that).

even if we had 20 fleets, it wouldn't matter since the executor is purely determined by 3-4 coin flips and if you lose most of them, you lose. Fix the stupid executor coin flip rubbish before you implement 3 fleets on defense. No skill is involved AT ALL. If you win the coin flips, you win. If the AI decides to win the coin flips, you lose. Nothing more than that.

The issue is people try and fill.

Why not place as many as you want on any zone? Ok, programming wise some limit. The limits stop strategy, the issue is people feel need to fill. Just go f* it, you can have 5 on any zone, fill or do not. That gives far more theory crafting opportunities. It is almost more realistic (I hate that for a game) but true.

The issue here is people expect to clear and win by being a bit more efficient rather than having to clear. This and the mindset actually limit strategy.

"DarjeloSalas;c-2349142" wrote:

"InyakSolomon88;c-2349130" wrote:

"DarjeloSalas;c-2349121" wrote:

"InyakSolomon88;c-2349094" wrote:

"DarjeloSalas;c-2349080" wrote:

"StarSon;c-2349072" wrote:

"DarjeloSalas;c-2349070" wrote:

"StarSon;c-2349068" wrote:

"DarjeloSalas;c-2349065" wrote:

"StarSon;c-2349063" wrote:

"Screerider;c-2349060" wrote:
RC dies before it takes a turn or before you take a turn? Because, you can heal RC with your Exec of they go first and mass assist your RC..

How about that. Just happened. My RC didn’t get a turn.

Here is what it looked like when my Exec got a turn. I could have healed, but still could have lost.

I don’t understand - are you saying when you go second, you don’t use the heal move on RC?

I am saying that I don't always heal when I go second, yes. I have found that the win rate is the same whether I heal or aoe.

Right. I’m glad you clarified, as until you did I thought you were claiming your RC got killed before you took any turn, which struck me as impossible.

I always heal RC if I go second and my win rate is easily 90%. I don’t really think you can blame RNG for this when you are using an inferior strategy.

I wonder if @Ravens1113 uses the same strategy as you, and if he too means he loses his RC before the RC takes a turn?

Last of all - what did you mean by “RNG determines if a marked RC cleanses itself?” If you are - as I suspect - trying to apply breach with RC on a ship with Tenacity up, you can hardly blame RNG for that.

How is it an inferior strategy if I still lose the match at about the same rate when I do it your way?

And no, I don't mean I was trying to apply breach to a ship with Tenacity Up. It's a resistable debuff coming from RC. Sometimes it's resisted and then RC doesn't cleanse himself. This invariably leads to RC dying quickly.

Do you win 90% of the time when you go second and don’t cleanse : heal? I won’t believe you if you tell me that you do.

You can’t tell me your strategy isn’t inferior when you leave one of the most pivotal ships in the lineup in the state it is in that screenshot and DON’T cleanse and heal it.

I’m not trying to poke fun - I genuinely want to help people who claim that Exec mirrors are RNG laden coin tosses. If you use the right strategy you can minimise the RNG basically down to how often your XB decides not to double tap or which ships your EH gives bonus TM to with its basic. Having your RC marked and wounded but then opting not to heal isn’t bad RNG - it’s bad strategy.

i've had the enemy executor and RC nuke my HT before I even got a turn. Or even better, not target RC at all and destroy Xanadu Blood again before I have a turn.

If your HT is nuked before you take a turn, your Bossk must be low gear.

If your XB isn’t starting with stealth, which would make destroying your XB before you have a turn impossible, you should max all your fleet’s abilities.

r5 bossk = low gear :joy: guess your HT never gets hit with that red debuff triangle? more RNG in your favor then. Congrats. And all my fleet abilities are maxed already, zetas on pilots, full 6dot mods on Cad. But again, derailing the thread.

Yeah, my HT occasionally does get buff immunity, but I just call an assist and it cleanses immediately. You stated your HT has been nuked before you’ve taken a turn. It is literally impossible for it to get buff immunity from the opening AoE, as it can only be applied by RC using its special on a breached opponent. There is no way that any of your opponents’ RC can ever take a move before your Piett, so losing your HT before you can take a move is not possible.

If your fleet abilities are maxed then your XB will start the battle in stealth, so it is impossible for your XB to be targeted with the opening AoE and destroyed before you take a turn.

Again, please stop inventing episodes of bad RNG that cannot or do not happen. You’ve claimed both your XB and HT have been nuked before you take a turn, but this just isn’t possible.

"TargetEadu;c-2349171" wrote:
Pretty sure RC also specifically ignores Taunt on its special, especially if your RC is still alive. So Buff Immune HT is unlikely until that happens / until enemy EH arrives - aka a long time.

But yeah, pretty much impossible for HT or XB to get erased. RC is possible, maybe, but still unlikely.

not impossible. Not pretty much impossible. But then what are the forums for except to discount user experience? I complained about the Vulture Droid bug and was told it's WAI and I just "didn't understand" how the ship worked. Then suddenly a couple hours later everyone who told me it was WAI suddenly went "oh yeah it's bugged" :joy:. Good ol' forums. Why saying Executor is an RNG meta triggers ppl idk. It's not like it's our first RNG meta. But it is an RNG meta. And about to be come an even bigger decider of GAC matches. Which begs the question- are we closer to losing our fleet crystals?

"InyakSolomon88;c-2349200" wrote:

"DarjeloSalas;c-2349142" wrote:

"InyakSolomon88;c-2349130" wrote:

"DarjeloSalas;c-2349121" wrote:

"InyakSolomon88;c-2349094" wrote:

"DarjeloSalas;c-2349080" wrote:

"StarSon;c-2349072" wrote:

"DarjeloSalas;c-2349070" wrote:

"StarSon;c-2349068" wrote:

"DarjeloSalas;c-2349065" wrote:

"StarSon;c-2349063" wrote:

"Screerider;c-2349060" wrote:
RC dies before it takes a turn or before you take a turn? Because, you can heal RC with your Exec of they go first and mass assist your RC..

How about that. Just happened. My RC didn’t get a turn.

Here is what it looked like when my Exec got a turn. I could have healed, but still could have lost.

I don’t understand - are you saying when you go second, you don’t use the heal move on RC?

I am saying that I don't always heal when I go second, yes. I have found that the win rate is the same whether I heal or aoe.

Right. I’m glad you clarified, as until you did I thought you were claiming your RC got killed before you took any turn, which struck me as impossible.

I always heal RC if I go second and my win rate is easily 90%. I don’t really think you can blame RNG for this when you are using an inferior strategy.

I wonder if @Ravens1113 uses the same strategy as you, and if he too means he loses his RC before the RC takes a turn?

Last of all - what did you mean by “RNG determines if a marked RC cleanses itself?” If you are - as I suspect - trying to apply breach with RC on a ship with Tenacity up, you can hardly blame RNG for that.

How is it an inferior strategy if I still lose the match at about the same rate when I do it your way?

And no, I don't mean I was trying to apply breach to a ship with Tenacity Up. It's a resistable debuff coming from RC. Sometimes it's resisted and then RC doesn't cleanse himself. This invariably leads to RC dying quickly.

Do you win 90% of the time when you go second and don’t cleanse : heal? I won’t believe you if you tell me that you do.

You can’t tell me your strategy isn’t inferior when you leave one of the most pivotal ships in the lineup in the state it is in that screenshot and DON’T cleanse and heal it.

I’m not trying to poke fun - I genuinely want to help people who claim that Exec mirrors are RNG laden coin tosses. If you use the right strategy you can minimise the RNG basically down to how often your XB decides not to double tap or which ships your EH gives bonus TM to with its basic. Having your RC marked and wounded but then opting not to heal isn’t bad RNG - it’s bad strategy.

i've had the enemy executor and RC nuke my HT before I even got a turn. Or even better, not target RC at all and destroy Xanadu Blood again before I have a turn.

If your HT is nuked before you take a turn, your Bossk must be low gear.

If your XB isn’t starting with stealth, which would make destroying your XB before you have a turn impossible, you should max all your fleet’s abilities.

r5 bossk = low gear :joy: guess your HT never gets hit with that red debuff triangle? more RNG in your favor then. Congrats. And all my fleet abilities are maxed already, zetas on pilots, full 6dot mods on Cad. But again, derailing the thread.

Yeah, my HT occasionally does get buff immunity, but I just call an assist and it cleanses immediately. You stated your HT has been nuked before you’ve taken a turn. It is literally impossible for it to get buff immunity from the opening AoE, as it can only be applied by RC using its special on a breached opponent. There is no way that any of your opponents’ RC can ever take a move before your Piett, so losing your HT before you can take a move is not possible.

If your fleet abilities are maxed then your XB will start the battle in stealth, so it is impossible for your XB to be targeted with the opening AoE and destroyed before you take a turn.

Again, please stop inventing episodes of bad RNG that cannot or do not happen. You’ve claimed both your XB and HT have been nuked before you take a turn, but this just isn’t possible.

"TargetEadu;c-2349171" wrote:
Pretty sure RC also specifically ignores Taunt on its special, especially if your RC is still alive. So Buff Immune HT is unlikely until that happens / until enemy EH arrives - aka a long time.

But yeah, pretty much impossible for HT or XB to get erased. RC is possible, maybe, but still unlikely.

not impossible. Not pretty much impossible. But then what are the forums for except to discount user experience? I complained about the Vulture Droid bug and was told it's WAI and I just "didn't understand" how the ship worked. Then suddenly a couple hours later everyone who told me it was WAI suddenly went "oh yeah it's bugged" :joy:. Good ol' forums. Why saying Executor is an RNG meta triggers ppl idk. It's not like it's our first RNG meta. But it is an RNG meta. And about to be come an even bigger decider of GAC matches. Which begs the question- are we closer to losing our fleet crystals?

How is their Exec de-stealthing your XB? The enemy Exec always uses the Mass Swarm first. Never the heal + anti-stealth.

A video and gear levels would be great to see what’s happening.

"DarjeloSalas;c-2349158" wrote:

"StarSon;c-2349154" wrote:

"DarjeloSalas;c-2349148" wrote:

"StarSon;c-2349146" wrote:

"24_Tuesdays;c-2349145" wrote:

"TheDude420;c-2349143" wrote:
I agree, calling HT to use his basic and cleanse is probably the easiest/best way to get rid his buff immunity. It usually works great at the beginning of the fight.

But once Boba reinforces and starts throwing around ability block, it becomes much harder to call HT to assist and be cleansed.

are you not using eh or something

Does EH cleanse BI?

No, but he applies chaff, which means allies can’t get target locked, which means Boba’s AoE cannot apply Ability Block to anyone other than the main target - which will be HT.

Unless Boba comes in first.

If he comes in first, the worst case scenario is that he ABs both RC and HT. but since both HT and RC’s special would be on cooldown this is hardly a tragedy. Then you reinforce straight after with EH, and you’re attacking their marked RC whilst being immune to TL.

Here’s another. I went first. Got to here, RC didn’t cleanse. I lose.



Edit: 1-3 today when I go second and heal, BTW.

I just have good RNG I guess. G11 Beskar Mando’s been working great.

"TargetEadu;c-2349252" wrote:
I just have good RNG I guess. G11 Beskar Mando’s been working great.

Because your RC is the "weak zombie" of fleets. If XB goes before RC, that increases the odds of winning. We've been telling CG that for months now and they haven't done anything about it. Players are purposely keeping their BAM lower level or with lesser mods than Cad Bane to get XB to go first and RC goes after. Those of us who have BAM at R8 either have to put rubbish mods on him or take Cad Bane to R9, which I'm not doing.

They don't want "weak zombie" characters, except with ships or something.

They could go all in and increase the defenses to 10 teams per zone and then it would be up to the players to balance how much or little defense they think they could afford to get away with. Like that YouTuber who only placed ships on defense and still managed to win on offense.

Whilst I don't like the introduction of another fleet on defence because my fleet aren't great, I don't think this is the biggest issue with GAC.

I expect that many players will suffer in the lower leagues as Kyber players purposely or lazily lose to drop down. The issue is they will probably just ping pong between the two leagues for a while. Plus they are sacrificing rewards.

I would have thought this update should be after another 2 or 3 capital ships have been introduced, but there's plenty of scope for more ground to be set, I think that would change the GAC for the better.

I expect to see/hear more GAC mismatch complaints as this is implemented

"DarjeloSalas;c-2349251" wrote:

"StarSon;c-2349209" wrote:

"DarjeloSalas;c-2349158" wrote:

"StarSon;c-2349154" wrote:

"DarjeloSalas;c-2349148" wrote:

"StarSon;c-2349146" wrote:

"24_Tuesdays;c-2349145" wrote:

"TheDude420;c-2349143" wrote:
I agree, calling HT to use his basic and cleanse is probably the easiest/best way to get rid his buff immunity. It usually works great at the beginning of the fight.

But once Boba reinforces and starts throwing around ability block, it becomes much harder to call HT to assist and be cleansed.

are you not using eh or something

Does EH cleanse BI?

No, but he applies chaff, which means allies can’t get target locked, which means Boba’s AoE cannot apply Ability Block to anyone other than the main target - which will be HT.

Unless Boba comes in first.

If he comes in first, the worst case scenario is that he ABs both RC and HT. but since both HT and RC’s special would be on cooldown this is hardly a tragedy. Then you reinforce straight after with EH, and you’re attacking their marked RC whilst being immune to TL.

Here’s another. I went first. Got to here, RC didn’t cleanse. I lose.



Edit: 1-3 today when I go second and heal, BTW.

It’s hard to know what chain of events there had been before your screenshot and then after it. Still looks totally winnable to me when you call in EH next move.

I went 4-0 today going second and healing, then 1-0 going first. Yesterday I went 5-0 going second and healing.

There is no way the difference in our records is down to luck. There’s something in the strategy that you must be doing wrong somewhere.

A we’ve been saying, it’s RNG. Right after I took that screenshot I called in EH. EH did a basic. Then my RC died, then my XB. I’m glad these things work out for you, but they just don’t for tons of people, because mirrors are mostly RNG.