Ping Based Matchmaking

Yes.

Remove option to select servers over 100ms ping.

Some players purposely choose higher ping servers to gain a noticeable advantage.  "Super" bullets and receiving damage behind cover is greatly amplified when going against high ping enemies.

Everyone suffers from that one player who teleports around and seems immune to single fire bullets.  Luckily full auto weapons are usually able to register against such enemies.  This is an issue that happens frequently on New York servers.

@SmallZzy 

Its a myth that high ping makes enemies movement appear spasmodic on your screen or that its harder to hit them. Believe me Ive done much research on this. Me and two premades just recently spent some time testing different scenarios to try to find a reason for both stuttering enemies and noreg hits. What we did was that we used VPNs to control our pings + other sofware to control our upload and download rate. We tried all possible combinations; all of us had high ping (200 ms), one of us had high ping while the two other had normal (22 ms) or two of us had high ping while the third had normal. We also tried different combinations of upload/download rate on top of this.

We saw that FIGHTING a high ping player doesnt affect the hit reg on him or how his movement appears on your screen at all. Neither does PLAYING with high ping against normally or high ping players affect the hit reg or how enemies movement appears on your screen. The only thing that will happen when playing with high ping is that your damage and hit indicator sound will get registered some time after the actual hit. 

I guess this is a result of a client sided hit detection. This doenst explain why you get noregs hits sometimes and why some enemies stutters on your screen but I would guess it has to do with bad servers rather than something client sided. But you are correct that playing with high ping will allow you to land bullets on enemies when he is out of line of sight on his screen and vice versa. This is an advantage in some situations but an disadvantage. So for this reason, I still agree with you that their should be a highest allowed ping to play, or at least ping based matchmaking as you suggested. 

@Babbediboopi 

You talk the up most amount of balls. I have videos of people lagging hard, shooting round walls, extremely hard to hit etc. Then when I have a look at their profile, they are from a foreign country. Obviously you testing with a VPN on different servers with a high ping is going to give you the advantage and you wouldn't see it.

@Babbediboopi What a load of nonsense...

High ping on your end can cause all kinds of issues, and the players on the server might see you teleport as well because the server wont know where you actually are because of the high ping

@SmallZzy @KUSHD 

The difference between you and me is that you assume a hypothesis to be true only because you think its common sense, because you "feel it in your gut" whereas I actually test my hypothesis before I make up my mind. I have also seen players lagging on my screen, and Ive also experienced noregs hits....Doest that mean that immediately can draw the concussion that this happens because that enemy player has high ping? NO...

What you dont seem to realize is that the only reason why we did these tests was because we had the theory, just like you, that it was high ping that caused all these problems, but after we tested it, we came to the conclusion that that wasnt the case.

Like I said, "shooting around corner" (and getting shot around corners) is a thing when playing with high ping due to the client sided hit detection but its NOT harder to hit a player with 200 ping and his movement wont stutter on your screen. That being said, it can ofc be SOMETHING ELSE on the enemy client side that causes this, something that may often be linked to high ping players, like unstable connections  or fluctuating ping etc. It can ofc also be a combination of many factors (enemy ping, your ping, lagging server etc) but JUST playing with stable 200 ping wont make a player with 20 ping have a hard time hitting you or affect how your movement appears on his screen. That is all am saying.

And just to be clear, we didnt just play squad with VPN against other squads, we played AGAINST each other, both in the firing range, and also a couple of games when we got into the same server and dropped far away and fought each other with different pings.. 

@Babbediboopi So basically you teamed online (cheating) to find out something you couldn’t possibly get correct results from... You don’t know what you are talking about I suggest you do some real research pal. I’ve played on teams where one player has high ping and we can see them teleporting, that is because the server doesn’t know where they are... How do you not get this....? 

@Babbediboopi 

You talk the biggest amount of non-sense. Everyone knows that High Ping Players cause lag. It has been this way for a very long time, across all online games. You basically cheated to get results anyway. Like I said before, you obviously didn't see any difference because you used the means of cheating. Also, firing range runs off of your own connection not the server, so that can not be included in the tests. I suggest you go back and do more research because you are literally just using big paragraphs and big words so you don't sound as stupid as you actually are. Anyone with common sense and knowledge of online gaming will be able to see through your bullcrap. Also, the only people who argue that high ping doesn't affect gameplay are usually the ones that do use it for an unfair advantage. If you do more research, search up games that kick you if you go over a certain amount of ping because long behold, it causes problems.

Unreliable/sporadic latency is the bigger problem, and is the cause of warping.

It tends to occur on connections with high hop counts, and that travel over highly congested/over subscribed links.

It can of course be artificially induced, though I doubt anyone would go to the trouble of doing it for competitive advantage.

It's kind of ironic that my 1st thought upon reading the title was "what a daft idea".

However I then thought back to my days of playing Quake 2 & 3 over a 56k modem, and the stark difference between LPBs (40-100ms) and HPBs.(150-250ms).

Back then a "fair" match-up was one between players of equal ping; nobody had even considered matching equally skilled players together.

For good reason too; if you stop and think about it, matchmaking by skill is an absurd idea, as all things being equal, such match-ups can only be decided by luck.

Of course game design that puts 'luck' front & foremost is EA's modus operandi, so it's no wonder it's found its way into Apex.

Next feature; Premium Currency to bypass SBMM.

"Pay to have worse opponents" isn't "Pay to Win"..... righhhht? 👿

@TheJumpingJawa 

You obviously don't have a clue about Ping Based Matchmaking too. You literally only seen what you wanted to and rambled on about the biggest load of balls. You need to re-read the whole conversation and then come back to us.

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@SmallZzy wrote:

@TheJumpingJawa 

You obviously don't have a clue about Ping Based Matchmaking too. You literally only seen what you wanted to and rambled on about the biggest load of balls. You need to re-read the whole conversation and then come back to us.

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I don't engage in the typical petty back & forth "you're wrong" type arguments that most denizens of this forum are so fond of.

As such I'm neither supporting nor opposing your suggestion, just giving my anecdotal perspective as a gamer who's been playing competitive first person shooters over the internet for more than 20 years.

All I can suggest is that you reread my post.

(fyi the "pay to not SBMM" tangent is tongue in cheek).