Re: Lets Start a Next NFS Game Idea Thread

Everyone, please refrain from going off-topic. Let's continue discussing NFS, shall we?

Remember that everyone has different opinions and you may disagree with others' opinions. There are no right or wrong opinions.

Thank you.

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@XGCSith wrote:
Its because we want to personalize cars. If you want just a racing game, play Forza or Gran Turismo.

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@XGCSith This isn't a very good suggestion.

Forza (except the Horizon series) and Gran Turismo are mainly simulation racing while NFS is mainly arcade racing.

Two different driving physics between simulation and arcade racing.

Some people may argue that Gran Turismo is simcade racing though, but it would still have different car physics than pure arcade racing.

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@XGCSith wrote:
When you focus on just gameplay you tend to forget about the other half and thats the customization part.

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Gameplay and game modes are a lot more important when you can do something with your car after you finish applying upgrades onto your car.

If there is a lack of gameplay and game modes, then you wouldn't have much to do with your cars except showing off your cars to others.

And IMO, that's boring.

I want to be driving my fancy-looking cars, not sit idle with my fancy-looking cars.

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@XGCSith wrote:
Secondly, that it what NFS is NOW so yes, when it comes to current NFS games, customization is a good half of the game because thats what people want.

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I wonder when Need For Speed became Need For Customization... 

I thought Need For Speed meant driving as fast as possible in the past...

You know ever since i start playing the need for speed games it was because of customization for me. That was a major part of its attraction and target audience. Not long after more games followed suit. It was in the time early 2000s ( give or take ) that car customization made a strong come back and tuners and such were all the rage. The first Fast and Furious cashed in on this as well. So in my opinion saying Need for speed payback isn't about customization isn't true really . Saying it isn't racing isnt really true either That is the beauty of this game, it gives those who want to "race" an out let as well as it allows us casual customizing addicts and collectors a place to create our dream rides and run free . I  and am sure many others play this game for a bit ot of everything.

Games like Project cars 1 and 2 , Iracing, Assetto corsa , GTR , GTR 2 , Race On and many more are the pure simulation racing genre. There really isn't any purist customization in those games outside of mods as it is pick a livery and thats that. I have had many years in Sim Racing and that is a true racing game class over any Forza ,NFS or other related game . NFS Payback isn't a sim nor does it claim to i know,  it is a arcade game that gives us events and such to drive our own creations in a virtual world. Thats why I like it , it is a little bit of everything not just one thing. 

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@XGCSith

The sales are relevant because you think you're part of the majority, when in fact you're not. The best selling games in the franchise are the ones that had the best gameplay, namely Most Wanted (2005), Hot Pursuit (2010) and Underground 2 (2004). Meanwhile, the worst selling ones are the ones that focused too much on distractions and not enough on the gameplay, namely Need For Speed (2015), Payback (2017) and The Run (2011).

@XGCSith

The sales are relevant because you seem to think you're in the majority, while according to the sales you're not. The best selling games in the franchise are the ones that had the best core gameplay, namely Most Wanted (2005) and Hot Pursuit (2010). Meanwhile the worst selling ones were the ones that focused too much on distractions and neglected the core gameplay, namely Need For Speed (2015) and Payback (2017).

@XGCSith

Upgrades are one thing, customization is another. Also you can beat Razor with a stock Tier 3 car, it's not that hard.

But fine, let's say you're right and Underground 2 sold so well because it had customization and not because it had a ton of game modes, an actual physics engine, and solid gameplay overall. Explain to me why NFS 2015 and Payback flopped as hard as they did,when they have everything you claim people want from a racing game. Go ahead.

@Commuinty In Thread

Here read these outstanding links and crunch the numbers for yourself.

http://www.vgchartz.com/article/270979/need-for-speed-payback-sells-an-estimated-462000-units-first-week-at-retail/

https://www.gamespot.com/articles/need-for-speed-series-sells-100m-shift-moves-309k/1100-6237491/

This last link really gives you a true bias of sales among all video games...NFS came in at #44 on sales overall

Check this out!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_video_games

This should end all the fighting over which NFS games or any game on the market for that matter, sold the highest amount of units.

Regards

BLVD69

@XGCSith

Actually it's because nothing was executed properly apart from the customization, nothing. Ghost made customization their priority and slacked off on everything else, including basic features like the driving and the physics. Why? Because that's all you people ever talk about. You know what NFS 2015 is? It's a typical "be careful what you wish for" scenario. You wanted customization? There you go, enjoy.

As for Underground 2, it sold well because it was a solid game, not because it had customization. If customization were what makes racing games sell well, NFS 2015 and Payback would have broken sales records, instead they're some of the worst selling games in the franchise.

@BLVD69

"This should end all the fighting over which NFS games or any game on the market for that matter, sold the highest amount of units."

Did you even bother reading those articles before posting them? They contribute nothing to what we're talking about here.

@mrtun3r

Your comment: 

"This should end all the fighting over which NFS games or any game on the market for that matter, sold the highest amount of units."

 Did you even bother reading those articles before posting them? They contribute nothing to what we're talking about here.

My Reply: Wow...I spent the time and read the articles to show the community some sales facts on NFS Game

and an overall sales of the top selling games on the market.

Dude don't shoot down the articles just because some of them are old....they still have facts that validate what I'm saying!

Regards

BLVD69

@XGCSith

Here is a link I posted in this thread.

You simply might have missed it...No worries

NFS Payback Sales up to January 2018

http://www.vgchartz.com/article/270979/need-for-speed-payback-sells-an-estimated-462000-units-first-week-at-retail/

Regards

BLVD69

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@XGCSith wrote:
@TheRealJony I said that because of the normal racing game comment. NFS isn't a normal racing game.

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@XGCSith Need For Speed is still a racing game.

By definition, racing means to get to the destination or finish line as quick as possible than your opponents.

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@XGCSith wrote:
In this day and age, customization is a huge part of NFS. Thats why I said customization is half of the game. Other would be the gameplay, story etc.

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So you mean to tell me this:

Customization = 50% of the game

Other = 50% of the game

*Other consists of gameplay, game modes, story, cars, etc.

If the next NFS game in 2019 would have customization as the #1 priority, then the game would be destined to fail.

Simply due to these reasons:

1. Lack of game modes to do stuff with your customized cars

2. Small car list due to the lack of cars (Example: Need For Speed 2015 or Need For Speed Reboot)

People would get bored quick when there isn't any incentive to do any driving.

I can think of two things that should be prioritized over customization.

1. Game modes

2. Cars (so we can drive a wide variety of cars instead of the same few cars)

Only then when there is a decent amount of the two above would customization be focused on.

Racing gameplay itself should be #1 priority over anything, even more prioritized over customization.

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@mrtun3r wrote:

The best selling games in the franchise are the ones that had the best gameplay, namely Most Wanted (2005), Hot Pursuit (2010) and Underground 2 (2004).

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@mrtun3r 100% agree!

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@mrtun3r wrote:

@XGCSith

Meanwhile, the worst selling ones are the ones that focused too much on distractions and not enough on the gameplay, namely Need For Speed (2015), Payback (2017) and The Run (2011).

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It hurts my soul when I see some NFS games that had potential, but wasn't executed well... 

Two of them are:

1. Need For Speed Undercover

2. Need For Speed The Run

@XGCSith

I agree. When 2015 came out and we got a lot of “no parts available “ the forum exploded with people complaining that the customization was lacking. It is a major part of NFS. Read reviews on most wanted 2012 and the lack of customization was one of the complaints about it. Its been in almost every version and is a good part of what makes NFS Its been the only reason for me to play it because that is where I can go,to spend endless hours creating. If I want pure racing and nothing else at all then I’ll go to a real racing game like Iracing, Project cars 1 or 2. Asseto Corsa or other pure sim games. There I have real world physics and a * pit view. There is a reason why I play Payback with a game pad instead of my Fanatec CSR elite wheel and pedals. Like I said before to me NFS Payback gives a  bit of every thing instead of one thing. 

^^^. Oh well excuse me answers HQ.....how vulgar of me. Interior view, that better. 😛

@XGCSith

Your argument is contradictory.  First you say Underground 2 sold well for many reasons, then you say it sold well because of the customization. Which is it?

Look it really doesn't matter, the fact that NFS 2015 flopped proves your argument is invalid.

"Driving and physics were not all that bad in Payback."

The driving is horrible, one of the worst in the series, second only to NFS 2015. The physics aren't bad because it doesn't have any, the game uses scripts to perform drifting, crashes and jumps. Even Mario Kart has a physics engine.

Also the "simulation vs arcade" argument again? Really? What the hell does it matter if it's a simulator or not? It's a racing game! Since when is "not a simulator" an excuse to make poor design choices?

GOD, millennials.

@BLVD69

That's complete BS and you know it, you just took the first 3 results that showed up on Google and posted them here. They're the same results I got when I looked "NFS franchise sales" up.

@mrtun3r It did sell well because of many things. I didnt say it sold well because of customization. The gane focused on customization but still so 11 million copies. You're argument and TheRealJonys argument is if a game focuses on customization, it wouldn't sell that well. UG2 is an example of how a game that focuses on customization can sell well. Also, are you forgetting Midnight Club?

How is 2015 proof that my argument is invalid? The game didn't fail because of the customization even though, it did lack in some areas. It was criticized because of the empty world, bland story and the handling wasn't the best.

You can say what you want to say about Payback. I think its an improvement above 2015 though, they should have ported some things over such as the performance upgrading fro. 2015 into Payback. As far as handling goes, im fine with it. You're just a complainer who wants a arcade game to be like a sim racer. Which now brings us to the next point. Yes, the arcade vs sim argument IS valid. They are two different types of racing games within the same genre. One is more realistic as far as how a car handles/performs and one is not. Arcades games are not meant to be a carbon copy of how cars handle in the real world.

Now, can we be done? Quite frankly, im done arguing with you about this stuff. Its quite obvious I don't agree with you and you don't agree with me.

Also the "simulation vs arcade" argument again? Really? What the hell does it matter if it's a simulator or not? It's a racing game! Since when is "not a simulator" an excuse to make poor design choices?

I will have to disagree, it isn't a poor design choice.  Thats why there is a clear difference between the game titled racing and one title simcade or simulation.. They are titled differently because they are different in physics and such. Its like saying all planes are equal. No some planes do certain things while others do other things. No developer is going to go off on a in depth tire model and physic engine to replicate real world handling in a arcade game. Kind of like retro fitting a passenger plane to haul tanks. it is stupid , each is built for its intended purpose just like the games. Thats why i am separating them in my posts. The driving controls in Payback are sufficient enough for me as i can adapt .

@XGCSith

Great minds think alike, you beat me to some valid points lol. Dam you and your ultra fast typing . 😛

@mrtun3r

Wow, you think them links were the first three results?  

Really??

Dude, it took me 20 minutes just to find them and another 30 minutes to read through them all!

Look I don't cut corners, so either read whats posted or just move forward!

Thank you kindly.

Regards

BLVD69